Can anyone donate/lend a /24 of IPv4 address space for Akamai to use to connect to MICE? Why a 24? We need to advertise the block out to the Internet to feed the cluster with content. It will also allow multiple parties to contribute bandwidth to the cluster. Jay ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1
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Can anyone donate/lend a /24 of IPv4 address space for Akamai to use to connect to MICE?
Doesn't MICE have a /24 that could be used in this manner? (Even if so, I'm not sure whether that's a good idea.) Richard ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1
Doesn't MICE have a /24 that could be used in this manner? (Even if so, I'm not sure whether that's a good idea.)
I actually debated including that option in my original request. The v4 address space is one large /24. There is plenty of address space left to accommodate Akamai. The question is how does one inject the /24 route into the table cleanly? Using a second /24 is easy. A provider using the Akamai cache can advertise the dedicated route to their upstreams. If we do something smaller than a /24 it shifts the bandwidth burden to one provider. I'm open to ideas, just haven't thought of anything myself yet. Jay ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1
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I'm open to ideas, just haven't thought of anything myself yet.
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I'm open to ideas, just haven't thought of anything myself yet.
Didn't realize my idea was so stupid...
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I suggest applying to ARIN under Critical Infrastructure. Owen On Apr 15, 2011, at 1:21 PM, Jay Hanke wrote:
Can anyone donate/lend a /24 of IPv4 address space for Akamai to use to connect to MICE?
Why a 24? We need to advertise the block out to the Internet to feed the cluster with content. It will also allow multiple parties to contribute bandwidth to the cluster.
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On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 7:04 PM, Owen DeLong <owend@he.net> wrote:
I suggest applying to ARIN under Critical Infrastructure.
That would by far be the best option. It's just difficult to line up donations to pay the initial fees. Maybe someone on the list will see this and make things happen. We're going to need to address the issue at some point. We're on borrowed address space right now. Jay ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1
What's the fee? $1250 iirc? I've got a hondo on it... Ryan On Apr 15, 2011, at 7:21 PM, "Jay Hanke" <jayhanke@MANKATONETWORKS.NET> wrote:
On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 7:04 PM, Owen DeLong <owend@he.net> wrote:
I suggest applying to ARIN under Critical Infrastructure.
That would by far be the best option. It's just difficult to line up donations to pay the initial fees. Maybe someone on the list will see this and make things happen.
We're going to need to address the issue at some point. We're on borrowed address space right now.
Jay
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Yes, that is the fee for a /24 of IPv4 under current end-user CI policies. I still think it should be Akamai's application, addresses, and fees. Owen On Apr 15, 2011, at 5:24 PM, Ryan Goldberg wrote:
What's the fee? $1250 iirc? I've got a hondo on it...
Ryan
On Apr 15, 2011, at 7:21 PM, "Jay Hanke" <jayhanke@MANKATONETWORKS.NET> wrote:
On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 7:04 PM, Owen DeLong <owend@he.net> wrote:
I suggest applying to ARIN under Critical Infrastructure.
That would by far be the best option. It's just difficult to line up donations to pay the initial fees. Maybe someone on the list will see this and make things happen.
We're going to need to address the issue at some point. We're on borrowed address space right now.
Jay
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Agreed. I was actually surprised to learn that an Akamai cluster didn't just come with a /24. That said, I've spent $100 on far worse things.. Ryan ________________________________________ From: MICE Discuss [MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] on behalf of Owen DeLong [owend@HE.NET] Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 7:26 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Akamai IP address space Yes, that is the fee for a /24 of IPv4 under current end-user CI policies. I still think it should be Akamai's application, addresses, and fees. Owen On Apr 15, 2011, at 5:24 PM, Ryan Goldberg wrote:
What's the fee? $1250 iirc? I've got a hondo on it...
Ryan
On Apr 15, 2011, at 7:21 PM, "Jay Hanke" <jayhanke@MANKATONETWORKS.NET> wrote:
On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 7:04 PM, Owen DeLong <owend@he.net> wrote:
I suggest applying to ARIN under Critical Infrastructure.
That would by far be the best option. It's just difficult to line up donations to pay the initial fees. Maybe someone on the list will see this and make things happen.
We're going to need to address the issue at some point. We're on borrowed address space right now.
Jay
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What's the fee? $1250 iirc? I've got a hondo on it...
It's $1250 for end user v4. We need v6 as well, I think some of the waivers are still in place. j ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1
None of the v6 waivers apply to end-user assignments. Does Akamai need a /48, or, could we just carve them out a /64? (I still favor the "get your own space, Akamai" approach for both.) Owen On Apr 15, 2011, at 5:29 PM, Jay Hanke wrote:
On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 7:24 PM, Ryan Goldberg <RGoldberg@compudyne.net> wrote:
What's the fee? $1250 iirc? I've got a hondo on it...
It's $1250 for end user v4. We need v6 as well, I think some of the waivers are still in place.
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On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 7:56 PM, Owen DeLong <owend@he.net> wrote:
None of the v6 waivers apply to end-user assignments.
Does Akamai need a /48, or, could we just carve them out a /64?
Just a /64. We have that available right now. Maybe we should tell them we just want IPv6? ;) jay ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1
There not ready for that yet, I suspect neither are we. :) On 4/15/11 20:00 CDT, Jay Hanke wrote:
On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 7:56 PM, Owen DeLong<owend@he.net> wrote:
None of the v6 waivers apply to end-user assignments.
Does Akamai need a /48, or, could we just carve them out a /64?
Just a /64. We have that available right now. Maybe we should tell them we just want IPv6? ;)
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Hurricane is, mostly. :-) However, I generally agree with David. Owen On Apr 15, 2011, at 6:01 PM, David Farmer wrote:
There not ready for that yet, I suspect neither are we. :)
On 4/15/11 20:00 CDT, Jay Hanke wrote:
On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 7:56 PM, Owen DeLong<owend@he.net> wrote:
None of the v6 waivers apply to end-user assignments.
Does Akamai need a /48, or, could we just carve them out a /64?
Just a /64. We have that available right now. Maybe we should tell them we just want IPv6? ;)
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Is our hope that if we can get one CDN to hook up the rest will follow on their own? It might be a little more palatable if we think about it with a long view. But of course we also have to think about the precedent we're setting... Anthony Anderberg Sr. Systems Analyst NU-Telecom 320-234-5239 anthonyanderberg@nu-telecom.net -----Original Message----- From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Owen DeLong Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 8:06 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Akamai IP address space Hurricane is, mostly. :-) However, I generally agree with David. Owen On Apr 15, 2011, at 6:01 PM, David Farmer wrote:
There not ready for that yet, I suspect neither are we. :)
On 4/15/11 20:00 CDT, Jay Hanke wrote:
On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 7:56 PM, Owen DeLong<owend@he.net> wrote:
None of the v6 waivers apply to end-user assignments.
Does Akamai need a /48, or, could we just carve them out a /64?
Just a /64. We have that available right now. Maybe we should tell them we just want IPv6? ;)
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Is our hope that if we can get one CDN to hook up the rest will follow on their own? It might be a little more palatable if we think about it with a long view.
Indirectly yes. There are a number of local networks that won't connect unless we have one of the big cdns available on the exchange. There are cdns that won't connect until we have more local networks connected.
But of course we also have to think about the precedent we're setting...
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On 4/15/11 8:40 PM, "Jay Hanke" <jayhanke@MANKATONETWORKS.NET> wrote:
Is our hope that if we can get one CDN to hook up the rest will follow on their own? It might be a little more palatable if we think about it with a long view.
Indirectly yes. There are a number of local networks that won't connect unless we have one of the big cdns available on the exchange. There are cdns that won't connect until we have more local networks connected.
I love the 'community'. I mean, unless my demands are met, I can not join your community even if it would benefit myself and the community, now leave me alone while I check out this new pile of sand and figure out what is underneath.
But of course we also have to think about the precedent we're setting...
We should be mindful of this.
This discussion has changed my mind about things. CDN wants to connect, they can buy a rack and provide a cross-connect and peer up either via the route servers or do some bilateral peering. Those providers who won't connect without a CDN need to put pressure on the CDN if that is their requirement, and they can continue routing to Kansas City or Chicago for years for all I care. And if I sound pissy, sorry. I am not interested in kowtowing further for CDNs or begging for networks to connect when they say they would and still haven't after 6+ months. Some seem to have forgotten about this idea of interconnecting locally for the benefit of their downstream customers, whether that is a student, another company who isn't multi-homed, or their employees. This has the added benefit of shaving costs on Internet fees for bandwidth, and as time goes on, the benefit continues to grow with the addition of more networks joining the community bringing to the table the other benefits. Like CDNs, or sharing of a resource of some type. How many on this list: Are connected... Have an Akamai cluster today... Either have static assignments logged with Akamai or use a silent BGP feed... Are willing to plug in networks received over the route servers into their configuration for their Akamai cluster config... ipHouse answer: Yes to all 4 If enough others do this, then we'll have a redundant array of Akamai servers reachable over the interconnections we have put in place as being part of MICE. *WE* can do something for MICE, we don't need to beg Akamai for something, or Limelight, or any of the myriad of others. We start showing the benefits to *our* community and eventually the CDNs will see that they will get more eyes (== $$$) on the content by providing a direct cluster. And if you think they are going to sit back because things are already in place... I don't think so, and that's because my little cluster I have in my data center won't sustain the total traffic, neither will yours, and as customers complain, Akamai (the example used right now) will hear about it and want to do something about it. My rant is over, whatever the community wants to do is fine by me, but as one of the steering committee members, I am backing off from this issue that is of minor importance to me. I find it would be far more important for those networks that stated they were going to connect to get off of their butts and connect. You know who you are...500Mbps of aggregate traffic already and growing, don't you want to be on the ground floor of the community so you can say 'I was there when it started'? -- Mike Horwath ipHouse - Welcome home! drechsau@iphouse.net The universe is an island, surrounded by whatever it is that surrounds universes. - Berkeley Fortune ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1
On Apr 16, 2011, at 8:00 AM, Mike Horwath wrote:
On 4/15/11 8:40 PM, "Jay Hanke" <jayhanke@MANKATONETWORKS.NET> wrote:
Is our hope that if we can get one CDN to hook up the rest will follow on their own? It might be a little more palatable if we think about it with a long view.
Indirectly yes. There are a number of local networks that won't connect unless we have one of the big cdns available on the exchange. There are cdns that won't connect until we have more local networks connected.
I love the 'community'.
No sarcasm, there, right? ;-)
I mean, unless my demands are met, I can not join your community even if it would benefit myself and the community, now leave me alone while I check out this new pile of sand and figure out what is underneath.
Yeah, not a particularly community-spirited attitude. I agree with you.
But of course we also have to think about the precedent we're setting...
We should be mindful of this.
This discussion has changed my mind about things.
CDN wants to connect, they can buy a rack and provide a cross-connect and peer up either via the route servers or do some bilateral peering.
I won't quite go that far. CDNs do present a somewhat different value proposition to an exchange. I believe they add enough value that if the costs are low, comping them the XC and the space is not an unreasonable value proposition for the exchange. Obviously this can vary some, depending on the CDN in question.
Those providers who won't connect without a CDN need to put pressure on the CDN if that is their requirement, and they can continue routing to Kansas City or Chicago for years for all I care.
I think this is not an unreasonable position.
And if I sound pissy, sorry.
I'd say you sound frustrated more than pissy. There's strong emotion in your comments, but, they also make sense from a purely pragmatic perspective as far as I can tell.
I am not interested in kowtowing further for CDNs or begging for networks to connect when they say they would and still haven't after 6+ months.
lol
Some seem to have forgotten about this idea of interconnecting locally for the benefit of their downstream customers, whether that is a student, another company who isn't multi-homed, or their employees.
That is unfortunate. Obviously we (Hurricane Electric) feel that there is extensive value in connecting to various exchanges. I believe we've been routing traffic via MICE since shortly after our network arrived in Minneapolis.
This has the added benefit of shaving costs on Internet fees for bandwidth, and as time goes on, the benefit continues to grow with the addition of more networks joining the community bringing to the table the other benefits. Like CDNs, or sharing of a resource of some type.
I couldn't agree more.
How many on this list:
Are connected...
Yep... Check!
Have an Akamai cluster today...
Uh, no comment due to NDA. (see question 4)
Either have static assignments logged with Akamai or use a silent BGP feed...
I'm not sure I: 1. Understand the question completely 2. Could answer it if I did.
Are willing to plug in networks received over the route servers into their configuration for their Akamai cluster config...
I think you'd like my answer if I could give it, but, it is neither yes nor no because the question doesn't fit the parameters of our particular situation.
ipHouse answer: Yes to all 4
If enough others do this, then we'll have a redundant array of Akamai servers reachable over the interconnections we have put in place as being part of MICE.
I think that's a great idea. I also think it would be worth encouraging Akamai to deploy a shared resource for the exchange, possibly allowing them to reclaim some or all of the resources they have deployed within member networks, providing benefit to the community and to Akamai.
*WE* can do something for MICE, we don't need to beg Akamai for something, or Limelight, or any of the myriad of others. We start showing the benefits to *our* community and eventually the CDNs will see that they will get more eyes (== $$$) on the content by providing a direct cluster.
Yep.
And if you think they are going to sit back because things are already in place... I don't think so, and that's because my little cluster I have in my data center won't sustain the total traffic, neither will yours, and as customers complain, Akamai (the example used right now) will hear about it and want to do something about it.
That might also be true, it might not. I'm happy to have a more detailed discussion with you off-list.
My rant is over, whatever the community wants to do is fine by me, but as one of the steering committee members, I am backing off from this issue that is of minor importance to me.
I find it would be far more important for those networks that stated they were going to connect to get off of their butts and connect.
I agree with you 100% here.
You know who you are...500Mbps of aggregate traffic already and growing, don't you want to be on the ground floor of the community so you can say 'I was there when it started'?
Yep... And if anyone connecting today can say that, I'm pretty sure that I can, too. ;-) Owen ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1
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On Apr 16, 2011, at 8:00 AM, Mike Horwath wrote:
On 4/15/11 8:40 PM, "Jay Hanke" <jayhanke@MANKATONETWORKS.NET> wrote:
Is our hope that if we can get one CDN to hook up the rest will follow on their own? It might be a little more palatable if we think about it with a long view.
Indirectly yes. There are a number of local networks that won't connect unless we have one of the big cdns available on the exchange. There are cdns that won't connect until we have more local networks connected.
I love the 'community'.
No sarcasm, there, right? ;-)
I actually do love the community that it can be. Most of my sarcasm comes from my next paragraph.
I mean, unless my demands are met, I can not join your community even if it would benefit myself and the community, now leave me alone while I check out this new pile of sand and figure out what is underneath.
Yeah, not a particularly community-spirited attitude. I agree with you.
Right and my sarcasm should be a very big LART.
I am not interested in kowtowing further for CDNs or begging for networks to connect when they say they would and still haven't after 6+ months.
Lol
Yah, I was doing the lol for a while.
Some seem to have forgotten about this idea of interconnecting locally for the benefit of their downstream customers, whether that is a student, another company who isn't multi-homed, or their employees.
That is unfortunate. Obviously we (Hurricane Electric) feel that there is extensive value in connecting to various exchanges. I believe we've been routing traffic via MICE since shortly after our network arrived in Minneapolis.
Correct. Your network was lit and very quickly you were connected. Yet there are others, on this list, that are literally just down the aisle and haven't connected yet. HE deserves some kudos. Thank you!
How many on this list:
Are connected...
Yep... Check!
Have an Akamai cluster today...
Uh, no comment due to NDA. (see question 4)
Either have static assignments logged with Akamai or use a silent BGP feed...
I'm not sure I: 1. Understand the question completely 2. Could answer it if I did.
Ah, old ays Akamai wanted to know your blocks so they could add them to the database. Newish way is to do a silent BGP session with them that pushes the networks you wish to have in their database. When I ran the network for VISI, we were doing option #1 (site number 97!). For ipHouse - we are doing option 2.
Are willing to plug in networks received over the route servers into their configuration for their Akamai cluster config...
I think you'd like my answer if I could give it, but, it is neither yes nor no because the question doesn't fit the parameters of our particular situation.
Hopefully my clarification helps.
ipHouse answer: Yes to all 4
If enough others do this, then we'll have a redundant array of Akamai servers reachable over the interconnections we have put in place as being part of MICE.
I think that's a great idea.
I also think it would be worth encouraging Akamai to deploy a shared resource for the exchange, possibly allowing them to reclaim some or all of the resources they have deployed within member networks, providing benefit to the community and to Akamai.
I'd be down with that as well.
And if you think they are going to sit back because things are already in place... I don't think so, and that's because my little cluster I have in my data center won't sustain the total traffic, neither will yours, and as customers complain, Akamai (the example used right now) will hear about it and want to do something about it.
That might also be true, it might not. I'm happy to have a more detailed discussion with you off-list.
Your place or mine, big boy?
My rant is over, whatever the community wants to do is fine by me, but as one of the steering committee members, I am backing off from this issue that is of minor importance to me.
I find it would be far more important for those networks that stated they were going to connect to get off of their butts and connect.
I agree with you 100% here.
You know who you are...500Mbps of aggregate traffic already and growing, don't you want to be on the ground floor of the community so you can say 'I was there when it started'?
Yep... And if anyone connecting today can say that, I'm pretty sure that I can, too. ;-)
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Right and my sarcasm should be a very big LART.
I love it! I haven't heard that one in a while...
Are willing to plug in networks received over the route servers into their configuration for their Akamai cluster config...
I am all for this. I do know that Akamai watches the clusters for traffic very carefully. If there's anything I can do to help just let me know.
If enough others do this, then we'll have a redundant array of Akamai servers reachable over the interconnections we have put in place as being part of MICE.
I think that's a great idea.
Absolutely, remember if you already have a cluster it's populated with the most popular content already, so it isn't much extra overhead.
I also think it would be worth encouraging Akamai to deploy a shared resource for the exchange, possibly allowing them to reclaim some or all of the resources they have deployed within member networks, providing benefit to the community and to Akamai.
I'd be down with that as well.
Yes, that's what started this whole thread.
And if you think they are going to sit back because things are already in place... I don't think so, and that's because my little cluster I have in my data center won't sustain the total traffic, neither will yours, and as customers complain, Akamai (the example used right now) will hear about it and want to do something about it.
I think Akamai will notice.
Beat that chest, you deserve it as one of the reps from HE. Others from HE on the list, here is my back clapping for you as well.
I'll second that! A couple of side notes: 1) We've created a little ISP community, we've got many if not most of the faithful involved or connected. The next layer out is more skeptical or at least unfamiliar with a community solving problems. Turning this group into believers will greatly help (and grow) our established community. Not everyone we're talking to has run an ISP for 15 years or has had a FidoNet account. They need a little coaxing because they don't know and it's scary. 2) As Mr. O'Conner stated at the last users group meeting, many of the next steps involve letting the cat out of the bag. I think specifically in the local business community, we need to let them know who has EXCELLENT local connectivity. This batch of future participants will respond better to customer pressure than community pressure. 3) IMHO 500 Mb/s is a legit exchange, how many people outside this list know that? Jay ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1
On Apr 16, 2011, at 12:59 PM, Mike Horwath wrote:
On 4/16/11 10:59 AM, "Owen DeLong" <owend@HE.NET> wrote:
On Apr 16, 2011, at 8:00 AM, Mike Horwath wrote:
On 4/15/11 8:40 PM, "Jay Hanke" <jayhanke@MANKATONETWORKS.NET> wrote:
Is our hope that if we can get one CDN to hook up the rest will follow on their own? It might be a little more palatable if we think about it with a long view.
Indirectly yes. There are a number of local networks that won't connect unless we have one of the big cdns available on the exchange. There are cdns that won't connect until we have more local networks connected.
I love the 'community'.
No sarcasm, there, right? ;-)
I actually do love the community that it can be. Most of my sarcasm comes from my next paragraph.
I think you may have misunderstood my meaning there. I wasn't questioning your love for the community so much as agreeing with your despair over some actions the community is considering.
I mean, unless my demands are met, I can not join your community even if it would benefit myself and the community, now leave me alone while I check out this new pile of sand and figure out what is underneath.
Yeah, not a particularly community-spirited attitude. I agree with you.
Right and my sarcasm should be a very big LART.
Agreed.
I am not interested in kowtowing further for CDNs or begging for networks to connect when they say they would and still haven't after 6+ months.
Lol
Yah, I was doing the lol for a while.
Some seem to have forgotten about this idea of interconnecting locally for the benefit of their downstream customers, whether that is a student, another company who isn't multi-homed, or their employees.
That is unfortunate. Obviously we (Hurricane Electric) feel that there is extensive value in connecting to various exchanges. I believe we've been routing traffic via MICE since shortly after our network arrived in Minneapolis.
Correct.
Your network was lit and very quickly you were connected.
Yet there are others, on this list, that are literally just down the aisle and haven't connected yet.
That's unfortunate. I have to wonder why they would pass up such an opportunity.
HE deserves some kudos. Thank you!
We're happy to be there. We see value in the exchange and we're benefitting from being connected. We should be thanking those who got it organized and established.
How many on this list:
Are connected...
Yep... Check!
Have an Akamai cluster today...
Uh, no comment due to NDA. (see question 4)
Either have static assignments logged with Akamai or use a silent BGP feed...
I'm not sure I: 1. Understand the question completely 2. Could answer it if I did.
Ah, old ays Akamai wanted to know your blocks so they could add them to the database.
Newish way is to do a silent BGP session with them that pushes the networks you wish to have in their database.
When I ran the network for VISI, we were doing option #1 (site number 97!).
For ipHouse - we are doing option 2.
OK... Now I mostly understand the question. I can't answer it in our case.
Are willing to plug in networks received over the route servers into their configuration for their Akamai cluster config...
I think you'd like my answer if I could give it, but, it is neither yes nor no because the question doesn't fit the parameters of our particular situation.
Hopefully my clarification helps.
The clarification helps my understanding. The question still doesn't fit the parameters of our particular situation with regard to Akamai.
ipHouse answer: Yes to all 4
If enough others do this, then we'll have a redundant array of Akamai servers reachable over the interconnections we have put in place as being part of MICE.
I think that's a great idea.
I also think it would be worth encouraging Akamai to deploy a shared resource for the exchange, possibly allowing them to reclaim some or all of the resources they have deployed within member networks, providing benefit to the community and to Akamai.
I'd be down with that as well.
And if you think they are going to sit back because things are already in place... I don't think so, and that's because my little cluster I have in my data center won't sustain the total traffic, neither will yours, and as customers complain, Akamai (the example used right now) will hear about it and want to do something about it.
That might also be true, it might not. I'm happy to have a more detailed discussion with you off-list.
Your place or mine, big boy?
lol... Look for an off-list reply from me shortly.
My rant is over, whatever the community wants to do is fine by me, but as one of the steering committee members, I am backing off from this issue that is of minor importance to me.
I find it would be far more important for those networks that stated they were going to connect to get off of their butts and connect.
I agree with you 100% here.
You know who you are...500Mbps of aggregate traffic already and growing, don't you want to be on the ground floor of the community so you can say 'I was there when it started'?
Yep... And if anyone connecting today can say that, I'm pretty sure that I can, too. ;-)
Beat that chest, you deserve it as one of the reps from HE. Others from HE on the list, here is my back clapping for you as well.
While I appreciate the compliments, my intent was more to point out to others that haven't yet connected that there is real value here with or without Akamai. My intent was to lead by example rather than boast. Owen ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1
On Apr 15, 2011, at 5:21 PM, Jay Hanke wrote:
On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 7:04 PM, Owen DeLong <owend@he.net> wrote:
I suggest applying to ARIN under Critical Infrastructure.
That would by far be the best option. It's just difficult to line up donations to pay the initial fees. Maybe someone on the list will see this and make things happen.
We're going to need to address the issue at some point. We're on borrowed address space right now.
Why can't Akamai apply for the address space themselves? The critical infrastructure works the same way the MDN policy works. Their space for MICE would not affect any other location. What am I missing? Why should we have to subsidize Akamai's operations? Owen ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1
Why can't Akamai apply for the address space themselves? The critical infrastructure works the same way the MDN policy works. Their space for MICE would not affect any other location.
They should provide their own, actually, that's what I told them. I'm not recommending or direction, just evaluating out options. We will likely have other items were having a "community" /24 might be useful.
What am I missing? Why should we have to subsidize Akamai's operations?
If it was easy for us to provide I would be ok with letting them use some address space since there is a community benefit. But you're right it is an unnecessary subsidy. ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1
On Apr 15, 2011, at 7:21 PM, Jay Hanke wrote:
On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 7:04 PM, Owen DeLong <owend@he.net> wrote:
I suggest applying to ARIN under Critical Infrastructure.
That would by far be the best option. It's just difficult to line up donations to pay the initial fees. Maybe someone on the list will see this and make things happen.
We're going to need to address the issue at some point. We're on borrowed address space right now.
Including the folks from the MKEIX exchange in Milwaukee too, would there be any interest in trying to split a /24? I think between the two groups, we could likely drum up the $1250 in donations very easily. We (MKEIX) are in need of some address space as well for our exchange. I think we've got options for temporary addresses, but it sure would be nice to not renumber later. ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1
would there be any interest in trying to split a /24? I think between the two groups, we could likely drum up the $1250 in donations very easily.
Splitting the ranges might be tough from a donations standpoint. I don't think the $1250 is too hard to raise but it might be hard to explain to a donor about how things are split up. On the MICE side, we ended up scrapping it in favor of just getting traffic going. Just getting people to connect is a big challenge. So when are your connections coming in to MICE? :) You could drop a shared ethernet line in from MKE (and MadIX) and use our route servers and exchange traffic.... Jay ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1
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