I've been working with our state's telco coop to enhance our Ethernet circuit redundancy. (This is not for Internet circuits, but Ethernet circuits like wireless backhaul). The coop doesn't do a lot of LAG today, except for large customers that have purchased many circuits. Since our transport gear has that capability and we have the ports we'd like to do it, too. To help bolster our case, we're looking for examples where tier 1/2 carriers do LAG with their customers. Can anyone on this list share (on or off list) some examples)? Frank ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1
We do LAG all the time with our customers. Reid On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 5:44 PM, Frank Bulk <fbulk@mypremieronline.com>wrote:
I've been working with our state's telco coop to enhance our Ethernet circuit redundancy. (This is not for Internet circuits, but Ethernet circuits like wireless backhaul). The coop doesn't do a lot of LAG today, except for large customers that have purchased many circuits. Since our transport gear has that capability and we have the ports we'd like to do it, too. To help bolster our case, we're looking for examples where tier 1/2 carriers do LAG with their customers.
Can anyone on this list share (on or off list) some examples)?
Frank
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Ok, Reid responded, but he's the only one. Anyone else use LAG to connect for Ethernet circuits? Frank -----Original Message----- From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Frank Bulk Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 4:44 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] LAG use I've been working with our state's telco coop to enhance our Ethernet circuit redundancy. (This is not for Internet circuits, but Ethernet circuits like wireless backhaul). The coop doesn't do a lot of LAG today, except for large customers that have purchased many circuits. Since our transport gear has that capability and we have the ports we'd like to do it, too. To help bolster our case, we're looking for examples where tier 1/2 carriers do LAG with their customers. Can anyone on this list share (on or off list) some examples)? Frank ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1
We're not a telco or ISP, but we use LAG internally for switch trunks, we've found it to work well, generally. --- Eric F Crist System Administrator ClaimLynx, Inc (952) 593-5969 x2301 On Jan 25, 2012, at 12:54:06, Frank Bulk wrote:
Ok, Reid responded, but he's the only one. Anyone else use LAG to connect for Ethernet circuits?
Frank
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I've been working with our state's telco coop to enhance our Ethernet circuit redundancy. (This is not for Internet circuits, but Ethernet circuits like wireless backhaul). The coop doesn't do a lot of LAG today, except for large customers that have purchased many circuits. Since our transport gear has that capability and we have the ports we'd like to do it, too. To help bolster our case, we're looking for examples where tier 1/2 carriers do LAG with their customers.
Can anyone on this list share (on or off list) some examples)?
Frank
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On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 01:07:10PM -0600, Eric Crist wrote:
We're not a telco or ISP, but we use LAG internally for switch trunks, we've found it to work well, generally.
we do too. haven't had a customer ask for it over a metro-ethernet connection yet though. -- Mike Horwath ipHouse - Welcome home! drechsau@iphouse.net The universe is an island, surrounded by whatever it is that surrounds universes. - Berkeley Fortune ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1
On Jan 25, 2012 12:54 PM, "Frank Bulk" <fbulk@mypremieronline.com> wrote:
Ok, Reid responded, but he's the only one. Anyone else use LAG to connect for Ethernet circuits?
Yes, all the time. Works well but nothin' beats a 10G. :) Jay ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1
Other than 2 10G's LAGed together, of course! Reid On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 2:12 PM, Jay Hanke <jayhanke@mankatonetworks.net>wrote:
On Jan 25, 2012 12:54 PM, "Frank Bulk" <fbulk@mypremieronline.com> wrote:
Ok, Reid responded, but he's the only one. Anyone else use LAG to connect for Ethernet circuits?
Yes, all the time. Works well but nothin' beats a 10G. :)
Jay
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Well, there's always 40GE or 100GE, too. Owen On Jan 25, 2012, at 11:14 AM, Reid Fishler wrote:
Other than 2 10G's LAGed together, of course!
Reid
On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 2:12 PM, Jay Hanke <jayhanke@mankatonetworks.net> wrote: On Jan 25, 2012 12:54 PM, "Frank Bulk" <fbulk@mypremieronline.com> wrote:
Ok, Reid responded, but he's the only one. Anyone else use LAG to connect for Ethernet circuits?
Yes, all the time. Works well but nothin' beats a 10G. :)
Jay
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Sounds like Jay is the only one that has used them on carrier NNIs - can you share a tier 1 or 2 name with me, off-list if you prefer? So far I have HE as the only documented Tier 1/2 carrier that uses them with customers/other providers. Thanks, Frank From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Jay Hanke Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 1:13 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] LAG use On Jan 25, 2012 12:54 PM, "Frank Bulk" <fbulk@mypremieronline.com<mailto:fbulk@mypremieronline.com>> wrote: Ok, Reid responded, but he's the only one. Anyone else use LAG to connect for Ethernet circuits? Yes, all the time. Works well but nothin' beats a 10G. :) Jay ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1
Going slightly OT here, but do folks like to use LACP negotiated LAGs, or static LAGs? Just curious.. Ryan From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Frank Bulk Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 4:22 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] LAG use Sounds like Jay is the only one that has used them on carrier NNIs - can you share a tier 1 or 2 name with me, off-list if you prefer? So far I have HE as the only documented Tier 1/2 carrier that uses them with customers/other providers. Thanks, Frank From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET]<mailto:[mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET]> On Behalf Of Jay Hanke Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 1:13 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] LAG use On Jan 25, 2012 12:54 PM, "Frank Bulk" <fbulk@mypremieronline.com<mailto:fbulk@mypremieronline.com>> wrote: Ok, Reid responded, but he's the only one. Anyone else use LAG to connect for Ethernet circuits? Yes, all the time. Works well but nothin' beats a 10G. :) Jay ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1
On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 11:40:19PM +0000, Ryan Goldberg wrote:
Going slightly OT here, but do folks like to use LACP negotiated LAGs, or static LAGs? Just curious..
I prefer static LAGs for setup, although there have been a couple vendors that only do LACP setups that I have to match to make happy. Although typically I'd prefer static setups for most things. No auto-magic for me. -- Doug McIntyre <merlyn@iphouse.net> -- ipHouse/Goldengate/Bitstream/ProNS -- Network Engineer/Provisioning/Jack of all Trades ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1
Sounds like Jay is the only one that has used them on carrier NNIs - can you share a tier 1 or 2 name with me, off-list if you prefer? So far I have HE as the only documented Tier 1/2 carrier that uses them with customers/other providers. Thanks, Frank From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Jay Hanke Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 1:13 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] LAG use On Jan 25, 2012 12:54 PM, "Frank Bulk" <fbulk@mypremieronline.com<mailto:fbulk@mypremieronline.com>> wrote: Ok, Reid responded, but he's the only one. Anyone else use LAG to connect for Ethernet circuits? Yes, all the time. Works well but nothin' beats a 10G. :) Jay ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1
The only thing I can think of is that you'd probably want the members of a LAG group to always have very similar performance characteristics (capacity, latency, ect). That's pretty easy with a dedicated lambda/fiber but may require some thought in shared transport environments - for example you'd want to ensure one member couldn't take a longer path and incur a lot more latency than other members. But that's just traffic engineering... We haven't had any requests for such things, but I certainly wouldn't be scared of doing them. Anthony Anderberg Sr. Systems Analyst 320-234-5239 anthonyanderberg@nu-telecom.net NU-Telecom -----Original Message----- From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Frank Bulk Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 12:54 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] LAG use Ok, Reid responded, but he's the only one. Anyone else use LAG to connect for Ethernet circuits? Frank -----Original Message----- From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Frank Bulk Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 4:44 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] LAG use I've been working with our state's telco coop to enhance our Ethernet circuit redundancy. (This is not for Internet circuits, but Ethernet circuits like wireless backhaul). The coop doesn't do a lot of LAG today, except for large customers that have purchased many circuits. Since our transport gear has that capability and we have the ports we'd like to do it, too. To help bolster our case, we're looking for examples where tier 1/2 carriers do LAG with their customers. Can anyone on this list share (on or off list) some examples)? Frank ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1
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