That’s what originally caught our attention, fortunately it wasn’t hard to put 2 and 2 together to see what the new traffic was up to but I’m still not sure what was up with the port 0/0/13 graph – I tried monkeying with the max-value setting and everything else looks right (64 bit counters, ect, ect.) We’ll have to keep an eye on it. Anthony Anderberg Sr. Systems Analyst [NUtel_email_logo_1] 320-234-5239 anthonyanderberg@nu-telecom.net<mailto:anthonyanderberg@nu-telecom.net> www.nutelecom.net<http://www.nutelecom.net> From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of David Farmer Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2014 7:31 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Googling on IPv6 and HE to 20G Something is goofy with the graph for HE's original port 0/0/13, it is clipping at 8G and also causing issues with the aggregate graph. -- =============================================== David Farmer Email:farmer@umn.edu<http://umn.edu> Networking & Telecommunication Services Office of Information Technology University of Minnesota 2218 University Ave SE Phone: 612-626-0815 Minneapolis, MN 55414-3029 Cell: 612-812-9952 =============================================== On Dec 3, 2014, at 19:15, Anthony Anderberg <anthonyanderberg@NU-TELECOM.NET<mailto:anthonyanderberg@NU-TELECOM.NET>> wrote: Yesterday Google turned up their IPv6 advertisements, and the rush of additional traffic required HE to add a second 10G port on the exchange - they now have Xe-0/0/3 and Xe-0/0/13 as LAG bundle Ae6. Thanks to Jeremy for coordinating everything. By my count we’ve got four free 10G ports on the main switch, plus a couple allocated that haven’t turned up. Anthony Anderberg Sr. Systems Analyst <image001.gif> 320-234-5239 anthonyanderberg@nu-telecom.net<mailto:anthonyanderberg@nu-telecom.net> www.nutelecom.net<http://www.nutelecom.net> ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

On Wed, Dec 03, 2014 at 07:32:00PM -0600, Jeremy Lumby wrote:

I think the low port count means that we need a switch sooner rather than later. I know there is a formal proposal in the works, however another 4500 may be the quick solution, and if we look at it from the viewpoint of if all of our current traffic had to flow between switches, we would not max it out, so another switch could buy us some time, while still being able to utilize most of the ports before any real bandwidth limitations. I think a call for donations/optional bill would draw in far more than enough cash.

4500 can be had on eBay for $9k Get the stack cables and be set. -- Mike Horwath, reachable via drechsau@Geeks.ORG

I'm working n something with a local vendor. Trying to get something mutually beneficial going. On Wednesday, December 3, 2014, Anthony Anderberg < anthonyanderberg@nu-telecom.net> wrote:

We’d also talked about add-in modules for the current ex4500-40f switch that could add up to 8 more 10G ports in 2 group of 4 at a time as a temporary fix until our 4th generation hardware setup is ready. I believe the part number is EX4500-UM-4XSFP, otherwise another switch and thoughtful port utilization to avoid over-stuffing the stacking cables is probably our best bet in the medium-term.

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*From:* MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET');>] *On Behalf Of *Jeremy Lumby *Sent:* Wednesday, December 03, 2014 7:32 PM *To:* MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET');> *Subject:* Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Googling on IPv6 and HE to 20G

I think the low port count means that we need a switch sooner rather than later. I know there is a formal proposal in the works, however another 4500 may be the quick solution, and if we look at it from the viewpoint of if all of our current traffic had to flow between switches, we would not max it out, so another switch could buy us some time, while still being able to utilize most of the ports before any real bandwidth limitations. I think a call for donations/optional bill would draw in far more than enough cash.

Jeremy

*From:* MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET');>] *On Behalf Of *Anthony Anderberg *Sent:* Wednesday, December 03, 2014 7:15 PM *To:* MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET');> *Subject:* [MICE-DISCUSS] Googling on IPv6 and HE to 20G

Yesterday Google turned up their IPv6 advertisements, and the rush of additional traffic required HE to add a second 10G port on the exchange - they now have Xe-0/0/3 and Xe-0/0/13 as LAG bundle Ae6.

Thanks to Jeremy for coordinating everything.

By my count we’ve got four free 10G ports on the main switch, plus a couple allocated that haven’t turned up.

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I'm just here working on stuff in the corner. On Wednesday, December 3, 2014, Reid Fishler <rfishler@he.net> wrote:

Do we have anything on donations?

Reid On Dec 3, 2014 3:53 PM, "Eric Crist" <ecrist@claimlynx.com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ecrist@claimlynx.com');>> wrote:

...

I'm working n something with a local vendor. Trying to get something mutually beneficial going.

On Wednesday, December 3, 2014, Anthony Anderberg < anthonyanderberg@nu-telecom.net <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','anthonyanderberg@nu-telecom.net');>> wrote:

...

We’d also talked about add-in modules for the current ex4500-40f switch that could add up to 8 more 10G ports in 2 group of 4 at a time as a temporary fix until our 4th generation hardware setup is ready. I believe the part number is EX4500-UM-4XSFP, otherwise another switch and thoughtful port utilization to avoid over-stuffing the stacking cables is probably our best bet in the medium-term.

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*From:* MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] *On Behalf Of *Jeremy Lumby *Sent:* Wednesday, December 03, 2014 7:32 PM *To:* MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET *Subject:* Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Googling on IPv6 and HE to 20G

I think the low port count means that we need a switch sooner rather than later. I know there is a formal proposal in the works, however another 4500 may be the quick solution, and if we look at it from the viewpoint of if all of our current traffic had to flow between switches, we would not max it out, so another switch could buy us some time, while still being able to utilize most of the ports before any real bandwidth limitations. I think a call for donations/optional bill would draw in far more than enough cash.

Jeremy

*From:* MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] *On Behalf Of *Anthony Anderberg *Sent:* Wednesday, December 03, 2014 7:15 PM *To:* MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET *Subject:* [MICE-DISCUSS] Googling on IPv6 and HE to 20G

Yesterday Google turned up their IPv6 advertisements, and the rush of additional traffic required HE to add a second 10G port on the exchange - they now have Xe-0/0/3 and Xe-0/0/13 as LAG bundle Ae6.

Thanks to Jeremy for coordinating everything.

By my count we’ve got four free 10G ports on the main switch, plus a couple allocated that haven’t turned up.

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First time we've heard of donations. I'd like to see a tech group make a thoughtful detailed recommendation vs rush it. Best, -M< On Dec 3, 2014, at 21:15, Reid Fishler <rfishler@HE.NET<mailto:rfishler@HE.NET>> wrote: Do we have anything on donations? Reid On Dec 3, 2014 3:53 PM, "Eric Crist" <ecrist@claimlynx.com<mailto:ecrist@claimlynx.com>> wrote: I'm working n something with a local vendor. Trying to get something mutually beneficial going. On Wednesday, December 3, 2014, Anthony Anderberg <anthonyanderberg@nu-telecom.net<mailto:anthonyanderberg@nu-telecom.net>> wrote: We’d also talked about add-in modules for the current ex4500-40f switch that could add up to 8 more 10G ports in 2 group of 4 at a time as a temporary fix until our 4th generation hardware setup is ready. I believe the part number is EX4500-UM-4XSFP, otherwise another switch and thoughtful port utilization to avoid over-stuffing the stacking cables is probably our best bet in the medium-term. Anthony Anderberg Sr. Systems Analyst <image001.gif> 320-234-5239<tel:320-234-5239> anthonyanderberg@nu-telecom.net www.nutelecom.net<http://www.nutelecom.net> From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Jeremy Lumby Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2014 7:32 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Googling on IPv6 and HE to 20G I think the low port count means that we need a switch sooner rather than later. I know there is a formal proposal in the works, however another 4500 may be the quick solution, and if we look at it from the viewpoint of if all of our current traffic had to flow between switches, we would not max it out, so another switch could buy us some time, while still being able to utilize most of the ports before any real bandwidth limitations. I think a call for donations/optional bill would draw in far more than enough cash. Jeremy From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Anthony Anderberg Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2014 7:15 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] Googling on IPv6 and HE to 20G Yesterday Google turned up their IPv6 advertisements, and the rush of additional traffic required HE to add a second 10G port on the exchange - they now have Xe-0/0/3 and Xe-0/0/13 as LAG bundle Ae6. Thanks to Jeremy for coordinating everything. By my count we’ve got four free 10G ports on the main switch, plus a couple allocated that haven’t turned up. Anthony Anderberg Sr. Systems Analyst <image001.gif> 320-234-5239<tel:320-234-5239> anthonyanderberg@nu-telecom.net www.nutelecom.net<http://www.nutelecom.net> ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 -- Eric F Crist System Administrator ClaimLynx, Inc (952) 593-5969 x2301<tel:%28952%29%20593-5969%20x2301> This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient or the individual responsible for delivering the e-mail to the intended recipient, please be advised that you have received this e-mail in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please return it to the sender immediately and delete the original message and any copy of it from your computer system. If you have any questions concerning this message, please contact the sender or call ClaimLynx at (952) 593-5969<tel:%28952%29%20593-5969>. ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

On Thu, Dec 04, 2014 at 09:08:02AM -0600, Andrew Hoyos wrote:

Virtual Chassis backplane is only 128Gbps (2x64Gbps), which seems like alot, but given how much of traffic the exchange is doing,> could quickly become an oversubscribed bottleneck.

Or just move to 4550's at $9K each + cables for 256Gbps (2x128Gbps) stacking, and even add in the QSFP module for 40Gbps additional capacity. This is all resolvable with money - money from port fees would have covered this. Poking the dead-horse that really is alive and kicking. Leading from behind! I am Hindmost, back-seat driver, and overall captain obvious.. -- Mike Horwath, reachable via drechsau@Geeks.ORG

We will add it to the agenda again, it's been tabled the last several times as we've been working towards the non-profit status. To date, we've, as a group, chosen to rely on donations to meet needs. s *Shaun Carlson*Senior Manager of Information Technology | Arvig ph: (218) 346-8673 | em: shaun.carlson@arvig.com On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 2:20 PM, Justin Krejci <JKrejci@usinternet.com> wrote:

Has there been any serious push to institute a fee associated with connecting to MICE? If not, can it be put on the agenda for the board to sort out/implement? If not, can we do a referendum? (too lazy ATM to read if by-laws even allow a referendum) <sarcasm> If not, well it's been good while it lasted </sarcasm>

I think MICE revenue generation (pre or post acquisition of IRS non-profit status) should be top priority at this point in time.

________________________________________ From: MICE Discuss [MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] on behalf of Mike Horwath [drechsau@GEEKS.ORG] Sent: Friday, December 05, 2014 2:11 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Googling on IPv6 and HE to 20G

On Thu, Dec 04, 2014 at 09:08:02AM -0600, Andrew Hoyos wrote:

...

Virtual Chassis backplane is only 128Gbps (2x64Gbps), which seems like alot, but given how much of traffic the exchange is doing,> could quickly become an oversubscribed bottleneck.

Or just move to 4550's at $9K each + cables for 256Gbps (2x128Gbps) stacking, and even add in the QSFP module for 40Gbps additional capacity.

This is all resolvable with money - money from port fees would have covered this.

Poking the dead-horse that really is alive and kicking.

Leading from behind! I am Hindmost, back-seat driver, and overall captain obvious..

-- Mike Horwath, reachable via drechsau@Geeks.ORG

On Dec 5, 2014, at 3:11 PM, Mike Horwath <drechsau@GEEKS.ORG> wrote:

On Thu, Dec 04, 2014 at 09:08:02AM -0600, Andrew Hoyos wrote:

...

Virtual Chassis backplane is only 128Gbps (2x64Gbps), which seems like alot, but given how much of traffic the exchange is doing,> could quickly become an oversubscribed bottleneck.

Or just move to 4550's at $9K each + cables for 256Gbps (2x128Gbps) stacking, and even add in the QSFP module for 40Gbps additional capacity.

This is all resolvable with money - money from port fees would have covered this.

Poking the dead-horse that really is alive and kicking.

Leading from behind! I am Hindmost, back-seat driver, and overall captain obvious..

Before anyone starts talking about port fees, more work needs to be done to come up with exactly what it is we need and then how to get it. A few observations. From the traffic graph, and smoothing the anomalous burst caused by new connections, the growth rate probably matches the Internets minus something to account for the content players - which could be applied as anywhere from 50% to 100% YoY, market dependent. If you're going to deploy additional hardware, how about a plan for at least three years of growth to minimize the cycles of ask/receive? A member survey asking about planning and growth would be helpful. We need a leaf node in another facility IMHO to also create some market pressure to keep costs low. Best, -M<

On Dec 5, 2014, at 3:33 PM, Reid Fishler <rfishler@HE.NET> wrote:

Marty- What facility would you like to create a leaf node in? There really is no other facility of note in the MSP area.

Reid

You tell me. I heard there was a Zayo or other competitive facility somewhere in the area. Perhaps the local team knows more? Best, -M<

On Dec 5, 2014, at 3:55 PM, Reid Fishler <rfishler@HE.NET> wrote:

We covered this in a couple of our last meetings. There is a full Onvoy/Zayo facility. There isn't much interest there as its full, and its mostly voice carriers there. There is a Viawest facility opening, but Shaw has that covered. There is a facility that houses most of the Canadian carriers, but they aren't interested in peering.

So ViaWest and Zayo don't want to compete? I'll make a few calls and check on that. Best, -M<

On 12/05/2014 03:01 PM, Hannigan, Martin wrote:

On Dec 5, 2014, at 3:55 PM, Reid Fishler <rfishler@HE.NET> wrote:

...

We covered this in a couple of our last meetings. There is a full Onvoy/Zayo facility. There isn't much interest there as its full, and its mostly voice carriers there. There is a Viawest facility opening, but Shaw has that covered. There is a facility that houses most of the Canadian carriers, but they aren't interested in peering. So ViaWest and Zayo don't want to compete? I'll make a few calls and check on that.

Perhaps I'm missing something obvious, but what benefit would MICE gain or what problem is this trying to solve ?

Marty- This would be great in an ideal world with free bandwidth, fiber and equipment...and if there were tons of additional colos in a market like MSP. As far as I know MSP isn't NOVA. Reid On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 4:25 PM, Hannigan, Martin <marty@akamai.com> wrote:

On Dec 5, 2014, at 4:11 PM, Steve Howard <showard@PAULBUNYAN.NET> wrote:

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On 12/05/2014 03:01 PM, Hannigan, Martin wrote:

...

On Dec 5, 2014, at 3:55 PM, Reid Fishler <rfishler@HE.NET> wrote:

...

We covered this in a couple of our last meetings. There is a full Onvoy/Zayo facility. There isn't much interest there as its full, and its mostly voice carriers there. There is a Viawest facility opening, but Shaw has that covered. There is a facility that houses most of the Canadian carriers, but they aren't interested in peering. So ViaWest and Zayo don't want to compete? I'll make a few calls and check on that.

Perhaps I'm missing something obvious, but what benefit would MICE gain or what problem is this trying to solve ?

I'd like to have at least one or two more places to tap into the IXP from so that I can use it as leverage when I negotiate space and power with all of you. Especially for PNIs which is on the horizon.

When an IXP grows, it make sense to peel off traffic vs. leave it all on the exchange. A variety of reasons including cost. In fact, if a fee were to be implemented for ports you'd probably see some of that happen with more frequency than you do now. But when I do that, I want choices and I want to still be able to connect. Cake. Ice Cream. Save Money.

Best,

-M<

-- Reid Fishler Director Hurricane Electric +1-510-580-4178

Dark fiber in MSP isn't plentiful. I wish it was! Reid On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 4:36 PM, Hannigan, Martin <marty@akamai.com> wrote:

On Dec 5, 2014, at 4:27 PM, Reid Fishler <rfishler@HE.NET> wrote:

...

Marty- This would be great in an ideal world with free bandwidth, fiber and equipment...and if there were tons of additional colos in a market like MSP. As far as I know MSP isn't NOVA.

Yes it would. And it's doable when things are right. I think the MICE is right. Don't know about the local footprint, but from what I have learned in the dump of private emails I've received from this thread sounds like it.

There are a number of IXPs of the same size or with the same potential as the MICE that are able to negotiate free space, power and fiber.

Just sayin. :-)

Best,

-M<

-- Reid Fishler Director Hurricane Electric +1-510-580-4178

...

Dark fiber in MSP isn't plentiful. I wish it was!

Reid

Reid,

http://www.zayo.com/network/metro-fiber-maps/minneapolis-st-paul-mn

and at least one competitor

http://maps.level3.com/default/#.VIIwJYcyHZA

I'm pretty sure L3 won't sell dark fiber in Minneapolis or Minnesota... -- Jay Hanke CTO Neutral Path Communications 3 Civic Center Plaza, Suite 204 Mankato, MN 56001 (507) 327-2398 mobile jayhanke@neutralpath.net www.neutralpath.net

On Fri, Dec 05, 2014 at 04:39:07PM -0500, Reid Fishler wrote:

Dark fiber in MSP isn't plentiful. I wish it was!

I can't agree with this. I would change it to: Dark fiber in MSP isn't plentiful in an affordable fashion. Cause that's the issue. When Zayo wants $5K to run from 2nd Ave S and 4 St to 511 you know something is up and it ain't the fiber. (this is directly a quote from Zayo for a single pair even though AFS was across the aisle and of the <billion> fibers there almost nothing was lit on the panel that I could see) -- Mike Horwath, reachable via drechsau@Geeks.ORG

We'll disagree and leave it at that. Best, -M< On Dec 5, 2014, at 18:12, Reid Fishler <rfishler@HE.NET<mailto:rfishler@HE.NET>> wrote: Money will ALWAYS be able to buy fiber. Heck, Jay can plow it for us if the $'s get high enough. My point just was that I don't think someone will give us fiber between sites, a system to support said fiber channels, and the rack/space/etc. I welcome someone if they want to do so...we are not married to one site, just looking at the honest facts. Reid On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 6:09 PM, Mike Horwath <drechsau@geeks.org<mailto:drechsau@geeks.org>> wrote: On Fri, Dec 05, 2014 at 04:39:07PM -0500, Reid Fishler wrote:

Dark fiber in MSP isn't plentiful. I wish it was!

I can't agree with this. I would change it to: Dark fiber in MSP isn't plentiful in an affordable fashion. Cause that's the issue. When Zayo wants $5K to run from 2nd Ave S and 4 St to 511 you know something is up and it ain't the fiber. (this is directly a quote from Zayo for a single pair even though AFS was across the aisle and of the <billion> fibers there almost nothing was lit on the panel that I could see) -- Mike Horwath, reachable via drechsau@Geeks.ORG<mailto:drechsau@Geeks.ORG> -- Reid Fishler Director Hurricane Electric +1-510-580-4178 ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

This is great. Nice work. I find that this is very common when a successful exchange is in the market. It's in the exchanges interest to be neutral and never do exclusivity agreements and to populate competing data centers if it makes sense. In this case, I believe the cross connect pricing might be in play and become "attractive" to some parties and have a positive effect on others. Still would like to also see emphasis on the VPLS/PVLAN service so we can all avoid a few xcon fees. Best, -M< On Dec 30, 2014, at 5:02 PM, Jake Lubitz <Jake.Lubitz@ENVENTIS.COM> wrote:

Greetings

Just wanted to bump this discussion.

I just had a conversation with a VP with DataBank, a data center service provider here in the Twin Cities metro, about MICE and the current state of the exchange. During that conversation, I had mentioned that the exchange is looking to grow into a secondary site and that the exchange was in the very preliminary stages of discussing a new site.

As a result of this conversation, they expressed a lot of interest in donating space, power, and cross-connect services out of their brand new facility in Eagan for a secondary leaf site for MICE. They said they could also assist in locating some dark fiber between the two sites as well if the exchange decided to go with DataBank for their secondary site.

This Eagan site has close proximity to the AccessEagan network as well as a number of providers that may be interested in participating in the exchange.

Below is a link showing where this facility is located:

https://www.google.com/maps/place/3255+Neil+Armstrong+Blvd,+Eagan,+MN+55121/...

I emphasized that the exchange is in the very early stages of discussion about a secondary site. I also mentioned that the exchange is hosting an user group here on January 14th. DataBank would be very interested in dialing into the conference bridge to talk about what they have to offer.

If this is something that the exchange would like to pursue, please let me know and I can forward along the user group conference bridge information to the proper DataBank personnel. DataBank also mentioned that they would be able to provide a tour of the new facility during the early part of the third week of January if there’s any interest in checking out the new facility.

Thoughts?

Thanks in advance.

Jake

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From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf OfHannigan, Martin Sent: Friday, December 05, 2014 5:18 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Googling on IPv6 and HE to 20G

We'll disagree and leave it at that.

Best,

-M<

On Dec 5, 2014, at 18:12, Reid Fishler <rfishler@HE.NET> wrote:

Money will ALWAYS be able to buy fiber. Heck, Jay can plow it for us if the $'s get high enough. My point just was that I don't think someone will give us fiber between sites, a system to support said fiber channels, and the rack/space/etc. I welcome someone if they want to do so...we are not married to one site, just looking at the honest facts.

Reid

On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 6:09 PM, Mike Horwath <drechsau@geeks.org> wrote: On Fri, Dec 05, 2014 at 04:39:07PM -0500, Reid Fishler wrote:

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Dark fiber in MSP isn't plentiful. I wish it was!

I can't agree with this.

I would change it to: Dark fiber in MSP isn't plentiful in an affordable fashion.

Cause that's the issue. When Zayo wants $5K to run from 2nd Ave S and 4 St to 511 you know something is up and it ain't the fiber.

(this is directly a quote from Zayo for a single pair even though AFS was across the aisle and of the <billion> fibers there almost nothing was lit on the panel that I could see)

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Marty- I welcome you to Minnesota, the land of 10000 lakes, and 10000 CLECS. :-) Reid On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 6:14 PM, Hannigan, Martin <marty@akamai.com> wrote:

Right. Issue is utilization. If you can go passive 100 that's cheapish compared to transit at n utilization and minus 9 x-con fees over useful life etc.

The other option is shared WDM. Some are asking for that option in many places and seeing it happen. Not really managed waves.

Why so much fiber in m/stp? What's there?

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On Dec 5, 2014, at 18:09, Mike Horwath <drechsau@GEEKS.ORG> wrote:

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On Fri, Dec 05, 2014 at 04:39:07PM -0500, Reid Fishler wrote: Dark fiber in MSP isn't plentiful. I wish it was!

I can't agree with this.

I would change it to: Dark fiber in MSP isn't plentiful in an affordable fashion.

Cause that's the issue. When Zayo wants $5K to run from 2nd Ave S and 4 St to 511 you know something is up and it ain't the fiber.

(this is directly a quote from Zayo for a single pair even though AFS was across the aisle and of the <billion> fibers there almost nothing was lit on the panel that I could see)

-- Mike Horwath, reachable via drechsau@Geeks.ORG

-- Reid Fishler Director Hurricane Electric +1-510-580-4178

On Fri, Dec 05, 2014 at 06:14:35PM -0500, Hannigan, Martin wrote:

Why so much fiber in m/stp? What's there?

Target? 3M? Cargill? About 100 more of the fortune 1000 :) -- Mike Horwath, reachable via drechsau@Geeks.ORG

That's awesome! I never knew. Best, Marty

On Dec 5, 2014, at 21:35, Asp, David <David.Asp@CO.DAKOTA.MN.US> wrote:

http://johnweeks.com/tour/fortune1000/index.html

List of fortune 1000 companies in Minnesota

David Asp Dakota County, MN

Sent from my iPad

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On Dec 5, 2014, at 7:54 PM, "Mike Horwath" <drechsau@GEEKS.ORG> wrote:

On Fri, Dec 05, 2014 at 06:14:35PM -0500, Hannigan, Martin wrote: Why so much fiber in m/stp? What's there?

Target? 3M? Cargill?

About 100 more of the fortune 1000 :)

-- Mike Horwath, reachable via drechsau@Geeks.ORG

On 12/5/14, 14:52 , Hannigan, Martin wrote:

On Dec 5, 2014, at 3:33 PM, Reid Fishler <rfishler@HE.NET> wrote:

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Marty- What facility would you like to create a leaf node in? There really is no other facility of note in the MSP area.

Reid

You tell me. I heard there was a Zayo or other competitive facility somewhere in the area. Perhaps the local team knows more?

Best,

I think an alternate location is important and necessary for the long-term stability of our market. However, there are two near-term problems, 501(c)(x) status (where probably x=6), and a hardware upgrade that we need to focus on first. An additional location is pointless if we don't survive our burst of success in the current location. I need to apologize, between travel in late October and early November, a bad cold in Mid-November, and the holiday I haven't made much progress on a upgrade plan. I hope to make some good progress over the next couple weeks. A member survey of expansion plans was brought up, I think that is a wonderful idea especially to provide some data to go with a upgrade plan. Is someone willing to take on the task of a member survey? Thanks. -- ================================================ David Farmer Email: farmer@umn.edu Office of Information Technology University of Minnesota 2218 University Ave SE Phone: 1-612-626-0815 Minneapolis, MN 55414-3029 Cell: 1-612-812-9952 ================================================

On Wed, Dec 03, 2014 at 09:08:51PM -0600, Richard Laager wrote:

On Thu, 2014-12-04 at 01:15 +0000, Anthony Anderberg wrote:

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By my count we???ve got four free 10G ports on the main switch, plus a couple allocated that haven???t turned up.

Also, according to the participants list, CDW is using a 10-gig port in 1-gig mode. They could be moved to the 1-gig switch.

Not as it is currently. As the 1G switch is copper only, and they are using fiber. Again, a module could be bought to expand the EX-4200-24T to have 1GB SFP fiber ports (EX-UM-2X4SFP), not sure if that is as cost effective, as it is essentially just they who are at fiber & 1Gbps now. -- Doug McIntyre <merlyn@iphouse.net> ~.~ ipHouse ~.~ Network Engineer/Provisioning/Jack of all Trades