I think the landscape of peering is changing. Traditionally peering enables lower latency and better performance by keeping local traffic local. While that's still the case, I see more and more people looking at remote peering as a way to gain more granularity in traffic engineering. There's a large demand in the KC market for peering outside the market for just that. SIX is just about up in KC (F You Lumen... 6 months to do an XC in your own facility?), DE-CIX is coming to KC (active but not announced yet) and others are in the works. There were a lot of discussions at the KCIX table about how these exchanges coming into KC would affect the local peering. The answer seems to be, "Not at all." The use cases between local peering and remote peering are different enough that they can coexist without market dilution. In the future, I believe IXs will be seen more like mini, focused ISPs used by organizations looking to branch out closer to the edge where their customers are concentrated. Aaron On 3/24/2022 11:53 PM, Reid Fishler wrote:
The answer is somewhere in the middle. We do whats best for the exchange, and for the internet in general. There are MANY things where this is what was done by the community. Honest question...if someone wants to put an extension in Rio, Brazil, do we let them? How about in South Africa? Is there a line? An exchange has a purpose, and thats to get everyone local to each other, on one fabric...otherwise we are just making Cogents IX thing they sell, or any one of the number of global fabrics. At SOME point we need to say enough is enough. I am NOT saying we are there yet, but to allow EVERYTHING is a bit too much in the other direction.
Reid
Reid
On Fri, Mar 25, 2022 at 12:44 AM Jeremy Lumby <jlumby@mnvoip.com> wrote:
I completely agree that the number of people who know very little about BGP is growing quickly, the real question is how do you deal with this problem. Do you not permit things across the board because of this, meaning that the opportunity is lost for the people that understand what they are doing? Or do you put as many reasonable precautions in place so that when someone screws up, it mostly just impacts them, and all of the other members maintain granular control?
*From:*MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] *On Behalf Of *Reid Fishler *Sent:* Thursday, March 24, 2022 9:12 PM *To:* MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET *Subject:* Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] MICE Remote Switch Policy
The issue is there are going to be more and more networks that are buying these peering services that don't always know what they are... Either by services, or because 'someone told me to'... Its not always those in the know that buy these things... Sometimes it's networks that DON'T know.
Reid
On Thu, Mar 24, 2022, 10:04 PM Jeremy Lumby <jlumby@mnvoip.com> wrote:
I understand the point a little better now. I would say it depends on the specific type of CDN. The more traditional ones like Cloudflare and Akamai it would not be a huge disincentive because they market themselves based on how close/low latency they are to the end user. Other CDNs that are delivering more of their own content like Netflix/Google would be more grateful for the free transport, and care less about the added latency (assuming no loss).
-----Original Message----- From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Richard Laager Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2022 8:46 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] MICE Remote Switch Policy
On 3/24/22 18:00, Jeremy Lumby wrote: > As for a disincentive for CDN's to connect, I have only seen the opposite. Most CDN's will only accept a connection to the core. The only time I have seen them connect to a remote was for a secondary connection to gain switch diversity.
I wasn't talking about CDNs connecting to remotes. The concern, or at least how I understood it, was: Imagine we put a MICE extension in city X. In the immediate term, that's great, as now networks in city X can get content from Minneapolis CDNs. But in the longer-term, it may create a disincentive for CDNs to go to city X.
Counter-point: Whether CDNs come to city X is not our problem.
-- Richard
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