Hi all, Qwilt here. Thanks Frank! Indeed, we are a MICE member. With or without a cache with us, you'll see some traffic from AS20253, so it's good idea to peer with us either way: while we're on the Route Server, we prefer setting up bilats. Hit me up off list with any question you may have, or to set up a BGP session with us. Thanks, - y On Tue, Jun 13, 2023 at 9:27 PM, Frank Bulk <fbulk@mypremieronline.com> wrote:
I’m under NDA, but the February webinar was not restricted to their existing partners. In that webinar they indicated additional content was coming at the end of Q1. The NCTC sent a letter a few weeks ago that those who are part of NCTC’s program should have received.
Qwilt is a MICE member and I look forward to receiving more content. =)
Frank
*From:* MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> * On Behalf Of *Ben Wiechman *Sent:* Tuesday, June 13, 2023 8:35 AM *To:* MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET *Subject:* Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] FW: Thursday Night Football from Amazon Prime Video - Network Questionnaire
Amazon was only serving Thursday Night Football out of the caches. Your traffic is consistent with the football season. Looks like a little bump there in April, which is curious.
Our traffic is similar. You can see the NFL season up to Jan, then relatively little. It is possible that one CDN was launched in April. I should ask. Looks like there has been some amount of activity since around 4/1.
Qwilt had a lot of promises about new content moving through the cache beginning in 1H2023 here. NCTC had a good joint webinar on Feb 7th, for anyone that is a member. I can't find a link back to it. They presented a summary of the performance from the 2022 NFL season, as well as plans for 2023. They didn't state it explicitly, but it didn't seem like they were getting any traction in hosting any content other than TNF from Amazon.
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On Tue, Jun 13, 2023 at 7:21 AM Larry Larsen < 000000186bf54e79-dmarc-request@lists.iphouse.net> wrote:
I have not seen much usage. Here is my peak bandwidth usage on Qwilt for that month. All amounts are in Gbps.
Oct-22
Nov-22
Dec-22
Jan-23
Feb-23
Mar-23
Apr-23
May-23
Amazon1
4.45
4.01
4.06
0.101
0.979
0.995
0.07
0.03
Amazon2
3.58
1.44
1.93
0.029
0.035
0.267
1.67
0.641
As you can see, I had some good usage from October – December but after that not much. April had a little usage.
Thanks!
Larry L.
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Have you seen them serve any other content from your cache yet. They keep claiming more content is coming.
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On Mon, Jun 12, 2023, 16:08 Justin Krejci <JKrejci@usinternet.com> wrote:
I stumbled across this thread again while looking for something else and thought I'd add a small update that we did get our Qwilt server deployed on-net for us a while back and it did indeed serve a relatively large burst of traffic volume during the live streaming episodes of Thursday Night Football.
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*From:* MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> on behalf of Justin Krejci <JKrejci@USINTERNET.COM> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 16, 2022 1:08 PM *To:* MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET *Subject:* Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] FW: Thursday Night Football from Amazon Prime Video - Network Questionnaire
I believe it is just simpler for everyone involved when you are an NCTC member but I don't think it is a requirement necessarily. As Frank suggests, if you're interested in their services you should just reach out to them directly and they can tell you what they can and will do for you given your network and usage numbers. In my experience so far Qwilt are decent folks: I am still working through their process to get a deployment for our network and they have been competent and reasonable to work with so far.
To contrast the email subject, because they are in the open caching market, they do not carry only Amazon content.
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*From:* MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> on behalf of Frank Bulk <fbulk@MYPREMIERONLINE.COM> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 16, 2022 12:09 PM *To:* MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET *Subject:* Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] FW: Thursday Night Football from Amazon Prime Video - Network Questionnaire
I don’t know if it’s exclusive to the NCTC or not – you could reach out to Qwilt and just ask them what options they have for you.
Frank
*From:* MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> *On Behalf Of *Ryan Malek *Sent:* Wednesday, February 16, 2022 11:28 AM *To:* MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET *Subject:* Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] FW: Thursday Night Football from Amazon Prime Video - Network Questionnaire
Is this offering going to be available to non NCTC members at a cost? (Is this maybe part of Qwilts default offering? )
TLDR: Is the Qwilt platform worth it outside of being an NCTC Member? :)
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On 2/16/2022 11:08 AM, Frank Bulk wrote:
If you’re an NCTC member there’s an opportunity to avoid transit costs and IX bandwidth concerns by serving the traffic from your own network using an “open” CDN: https://link.edgepilot.com/s/188fed83/ kSt--kULDUiOMeuW1EQy_Q?u=https://www.qwilt.com/ nctc-and-qwilt-launch-joint-initiative-to-upgrade-nctc-member-networks-with-next-generation-content-delivery-technology-and-services/ <https://link.edgepilot.com/s/9d57f0b0/LWiUplIDzEi9j-EIioO0LA?u=https://url-shield.securence.com/?p=1.0%26r=jkrejci@usinternet.com%26sid=1645034986147-091-00230858%26s=m2dshzzh%26n=bp4b3tw7i%26ms=0.0%2C0.0%2C0.0%2C0.0%26u=https%253A%252F%252Fwww.qwilt.com%252Fnctc-and-qwilt-launch-joint-initiative-to-upgrade-nctc-member-networks-with-next-generation-content-delivery-technology-and-services%252F>
There’s no cost to NCTC members (just your own rack space, power, cooling, ports, and time).
Frank
*From:* MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> <MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> *On Behalf Of *Justin Krejci *Sent:* Tuesday, January 18, 2022 10:56 AM *To:* MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET *Subject:* Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] FW: Thursday Night Football from Amazon Prime Video - Network Questionnaire
Definitely legit and definitely worth pursuing additional connectivity with Amazon and CDNs that Amazon will use to distribute their NFL streaming content.
We have peering active with Amazon at four IX locations (including MICE) and are trying to get some PNIs with them now too. https://link.edgepilot. com/s/d1ff7d9b/nHsaPn7VEkOM1Y2TlRuquw?u=https://aws.amazon.com/peering/ locations/ This page lists Cologix Minneapolis as a site where interconnection can happen. If you have a lot of eyeballs on your network, you should definitely pursue adding/augmenting connectivity to Amazon.
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*From:* MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> on behalf of Steve Savoy <stevesavoy@WCTATEL.COM> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 18, 2022 8:55 AM *To:* MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET *Subject:* Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] FW: Thursday Night Football from Amazon Prime Video - Network Questionnaire
Thanks Jeremy!
I'll give it another try.
Steve
-----Original Message----- From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> On Behalf Of Jeremy Lumby Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2022 8:49 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] FW: Thursday Night Football from Amazon Prime Video - Network Questionnaire
Steve,
Amazon can be notoriously difficult to get to respond, and when they finally do it can often take a couple months. They have recently moved to regional peering addresses, and it is worth sending the request to peering-amer@amazon.com if you have not already.
Jeremy Lumby Minnesota VoIP 9217 17th Ave S #216 Bloomington, MN 55425 M: 612-355-7740 D: 612-392-6814 F: 952-873-7425 jlumby@mnvoip.com
From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET <MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET>] On Behalf Of Steve Savoy Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2022 8:01 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] FW: Thursday Night Football from Amazon Prime Video - Network Questionnaire
I’m just jealous that you are able to peer with Amazon.
Been trying for 2 years now and nothing but ‘crickets’………… [image: 😉]
Steve
From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> On Behalf Of Dean Bahls Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2022 6:28 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] FW: Thursday Night Football from Amazon Prime Video - Network Questionnaire
While I haven’t gotten that specific email from them, I’ve gotten several Telegeography emails since 2012. They are referenced by Light Reading Daily quite a bit. They *seem* to be a legit research firm contracted by multiple companies.
The Amazon / TNF partnership is a real deal….and MICE needs to be prepared for a potential uptick in traffic on Thursdays.
Dean
From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> On Behalf Of AnthonyAnderberg@NUVERA.NET Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2022 1:27 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] FW: Thursday Night Football from Amazon Prime Video - Network Questionnaire
Has anyone else gotten an email like this?
On the surface it seems legit, and I always like the opportunity to talk about MICE, but I’m not sure how I feel about sharing such info...
Thanks in advance, Anthony
On Thu, Dec 16, 2021 at 1:29 PM Nataliya Coll <ncoll@telegeography.com> wrote: Hi David and Anthony,
I am a telecoms analyst with TeleGeography in Washington, DC. We have been contracted by Amazon Prime Video (APV) to survey ISPs across the country in preparation for Prime Video’s exclusive presentation of NFL Thursday Night Football (TNF) starting with the 2022 NFL season. The attached letter from Amazon Prime Video provides more detail about their network planning initiative.
To help avoid congestion on your network during upcoming games, Amazon is asking us to query you so that they may better understand your network point(s) of contact, service coverage area, CDN provider(s), IP Transit provider(s), etc.
Are you the correct contact person within your network operations team to respond to these questions? If not, can you please direct me to the right person within your network operations team?
If you have any questions, feel free to contact me via email or let me know if you would like to set up a call with me.
Thank you so much for your cooperation.
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