In general you can get a little better granular control of your session if you are bilaterally peered since not all IX route servers support communities, and have different security features supported/enabled. Not all implementations of communities are as detailed as you can get bilaterally. There is also one less point of failure when not using routeservers. From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Darin Steffl Sent: Friday, November 23, 2018 9:59 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Four BGP sessions drops with Google/YouTube (AS36040) today Ok I know that Google is on the route servers so is there any advantage to establishing a direct peering session with them? Their peering site says the following: Although Google connects to Internet Exchange route servers where present, Google prefers to establish direct BGP sessions for traffic exchange. On Fri, Nov 23, 2018 at 8:59 PM Jeremy Lumby <jlumby@mnvoip.com> wrote: MICE only has a cache, and the other IXes have full backbone routes. From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Darin Steffl Sent: Friday, November 23, 2018 8:56 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Four BGP sessions drops with Google/YouTube (AS36040) today Sorry to go off topic a little but why isn't Google advertising their main AS 15169 on MICE? Their website shows Minneapolis being one of their Edge POPs but they're using their less common AS 36040 here. Anyone know why we're not as cool as the other IX's they're on with 15169? On Fri, Nov 23, 2018 at 8:21 PM Jeremy Lumby <jlumby@mnvoip.com> wrote: I have noticed that Google has had me redirected to their cache on The Kansas City Internet Exchange most of the day. 2602:ffaa:0:7:8d5:1b2c:f084:513c => google-mci2 : superx_isp_number: 3 (2602:ffaa::/36) From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Frank Bulk Sent: Friday, November 23, 2018 8:14 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] Four BGP sessions drops with Google/YouTube (AS36040) today FYI, we saw our BGP session drop with AS36040 several times today: 12:08:46 to 12:08:51 pm 2:01 to 2:02 pm ~4:02 to ~4:04 pm ~7:36 to ~7:38 pm Graphs show some serious stability issues: Error! Filename not specified. Regards, Frank To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 -- Darin Steffl Minnesota WiFi www.mnwifi.com 507-634-WiFi Like us on Facebook To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 -- Darin Steffl Minnesota WiFi www.mnwifi.com 507-634-WiFi Like us on Facebook To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1