On Fri, Mar 25, 2022 at 2:48 PM Aaron Wendel <aaron@wholesaleinternet.net> wrote:

I've run some numbers on IX.br and I haven't been able to make them work
yet... yet... :)

DE-CIX Frankfurt is accessible from the DE-CIX NY switch in KC.

Aaron

On 3/25/2022 1:22 PM, Jeremy Lumby wrote:
>
> Precisely why I am a fan of something in the middle. The minimum
> requirements will weed out the silly proposals and save time/effort.
> The public discussion will bring up issues that should be considered,
> and then the board can take the discussion, and use it to make a
> decision. With this being said I would say if the minimums were met,
> and there was no discussion, it should just be rubber stamped by the
> board. There are plenty of people who know a lot about BGP/networking
> on this list so there are plenty of opportunities to bring potential
> issues to light.
>
> I have thought a lot about running an extension switch in Minneapolis
> for an IX outside of North America. When you run the cost/benefit it
> just does not make any sense. I think those things would come to
> light in the public discussion phase. My personal opinion is anything
> outside of North America just does not make sense for the “Midwest”.
> The only reason that Cogent’s product does not fall on its face is
> because it does not need to stand on its own. If Cogent was not
> already in those locations with their other services, it would never
> have made it out of the gate. Marketing is probably the only thing
> keeping it alive.
>
> Jeremy
>
> *From:*MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] *On Behalf
> Of *Reid Fishler
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 24, 2022 11:53 PM
> *To:* MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET
> *Subject:* Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] MICE Remote Switch Policy
>
> The answer is somewhere in the middle. We do whats best for the
> exchange, and for the internet in general. There are MANY things where
> this is what was done by the community. Honest question...if someone
> wants to put an extension in Rio, Brazil, do we let them? How about in
> South Africa? Is there a line? An exchange has a purpose, and thats to
> get everyone local to each other, on one fabric...otherwise we are
> just making Cogents IX thing they sell, or any one of the number of
> global fabrics. At SOME point we need to say enough is enough. I am
> NOT saying we are there yet, but to allow EVERYTHING is a bit too much
> in the other direction.
>
> Reid
>
> Reid
>
> On Fri, Mar 25, 2022 at 12:44 AM Jeremy Lumby <jlumby@mnvoip.com> wrote:
>
> I completely agree that the number of people who know very little
> about BGP is growing quickly, the real question is how do you deal
> with this problem. Do you not permit things across the board
> because of this, meaning that the opportunity is lost for the
> people that understand what they are doing? Or do you put as many
> reasonable precautions in place so that when someone screws up, it
> mostly just impacts them, and all of the other members maintain
> granular control?
>
> *From:*MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] *On
> Behalf Of *Reid Fishler
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 24, 2022 9:12 PM
> *To:* MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET
> *Subject:* Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] MICE Remote Switch Policy
>
> The issue is there are going to be more and more networks that are
> buying these peering services that don't always know what they
> are... Either by services, or because 'someone told me to'... Its
> not always those in the know that buy these things... Sometimes
> it's networks that DON'T know.
>
> Reid
>
> On Thu, Mar 24, 2022, 10:04 PM Jeremy Lumby <jlumby@mnvoip.com> wrote:
>
> I understand the point a little better now. I would say it
> depends on the specific type of CDN. The more traditional
> ones like Cloudflare and Akamai it would not be a huge
> disincentive because they market themselves based on how
> close/low latency they are to the end user. Other CDNs that
> are delivering more of their own content like Netflix/Google
> would be more grateful for the free transport, and care less
> about the added latency (assuming no loss).
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On
> Behalf Of Richard Laager
> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2022 8:46 PM
> To: MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET
> Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] MICE Remote Switch Policy
>
> On 3/24/22 18:00, Jeremy Lumby wrote:
> > As for a disincentive for CDN's to connect, I have only seen
> the opposite. Most CDN's will only accept a connection to the
> core. The only time I have seen them connect to a remote was
> for a secondary connection to gain switch diversity.
>
> I wasn't talking about CDNs connecting to remotes. The
> concern, or at
> least how I understood it, was: Imagine we put a MICE
> extension in city
> X. In the immediate term, that's great, as now networks in
> city X can
> get content from Minneapolis CDNs. But in the longer-term, it
> may create
> a disincentive for CDNs to go to city X.
>
> Counter-point: Whether CDNs come to city X is not our problem.
>
> --
> Richard
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