I completely agree that the number of people who know very little about BGP is growing quickly, the real question is how do you deal with this problem. Do you not permit things across the board because of this, meaning that the opportunity is lost for the people that understand what they are doing? Or do you put as many reasonable precautions in place so that when someone screws up, it mostly just impacts them, and all of the other members maintain granular control?
From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Reid Fishler
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The issue is there are going to be more and more networks that are buying these peering services that don't always know what they are... Either by services, or because 'someone told me to'... Its not always those in the know that buy these things... Sometimes it's networks that DON'T know.
Reid
On Thu, Mar 24, 2022, 10:04 PM Jeremy Lumby <jlumby@mnvoip.com> wrote:
I understand the point a little better now. I would say it depends on the specific type of CDN. The more traditional ones like Cloudflare and Akamai it would not be a huge disincentive because they market themselves based on how close/low latency they are to the end user. Other CDNs that are delivering more of their own content like Netflix/Google would be more grateful for the free transport, and care less about the added latency (assuming no loss).
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From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Richard Laager
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On 3/24/22 18:00, Jeremy Lumby wrote:
> As for a disincentive for CDN's to connect, I have only seen the opposite. Most CDN's will only accept a connection to the core. The only time I have seen them connect to a remote was for a secondary connection to gain switch diversity.
I wasn't talking about CDNs connecting to remotes. The concern, or at
least how I understood it, was: Imagine we put a MICE extension in city
X. In the immediate term, that's great, as now networks in city X can
get content from Minneapolis CDNs. But in the longer-term, it may create
a disincentive for CDNs to go to city X.
Counter-point: Whether CDNs come to city X is not our problem.
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