On Fri, Jan 21, 2022 at 2:15 PM Miles McCredie <Miles.McCredie@midco.com> wrote:

FWIW, I reached out to a contact with Amazon Prime about the TeleGeography survey and got the following response:

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Thanks for letting me know about the MICE-DISCUSS discussion of Thursday Night Football. Yes, Prime Video has contracted TeleGeography to survey a group of ISPs including some MICE participants. Prime Video is working with AWS and a number of CDN partners to acquire edge capacity for Thursday Night Football. We are trying to understand from the ISP perspective how those CDNs deliver traffic to ISP customers in an effort to serve traffic as efficiently as possible and ensure a quality customer experience. Any ISP that want to validate a contact from TeleGeograpy or any other contact related to Prime Video can reach us via the alias primevideo-isp-us@amazon.com. This survey only covers a subset of US ASNs, so networks that were not surveyed should feel free to reach out to us and we can provide additional information regarding our plans for Thursday Night Football.
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I don't have any visibility into who reads the primevideo-isp-us@amazon.com alias so no idea whether it is a useful path for following up on peering or not. My guess is that the regional alias listed in peeringDB, peering-amer@amazon.com is the best route. I have been told by a couple folks reasonably close to the peering team at Amazon that they realize that they have sucked at communication and hope to suck less based on comments from 3 individuals over the last 9 months or so.

HTH

Miles McCredie
Network Engineer - Architect
Office: 6052755192
Miles.McCredie@midco.com
Midco.com
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From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> On Behalf Of Michael Hare
Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2022 9:31 AM
To: MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET
Subject: [EXTERNAL] - Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] FW: Thursday Night Football from Amazon Prime Video - Network Questionnaire

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Sorry Ben, I had read the msg as text not HTML. I see the table now, thanks.

-Michael

> -----Original Message-----
> From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> On Behalf Of Ben
> Wiechman
> Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2022 8:26 AM
> To: MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET
> Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] FW: Thursday Night Football from Amazon
> Prime Video - Network Questionnaire
>
> I shot over what was provided through the survey/questions. If anyone
> has additional or more detailed information I'd be interested in it as well.
>
>
>
> Ben Wiechman
>
> Director of IP Strategy and Engineering
>
>
> 320.247.3224 | ben.wiechman@arvig.com
> <mailto:ben.wiechman@arvig.com>
>
> Arvig | 224 East Main Street | Melrose, MN 56352 | arvig.com
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> On Tue, Jan 18, 2022 at 8:17 AM Michael Hare <000000097dab80c5-dmarc-
> request@lists.iphouse.net <mailto:000000097dab80c5-dmarc-
> request@lists.iphouse.net> > wrote:
>
>
> Anyone willing to share which CDNs either publicly or privately?
> AS3128 peers with 16509 bilateral over MICE and we haven't seen the below.
> We are eyeballs but are R&E. I'd like to make sure my ducks are in a row.
>
> -Michael
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET
> <mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> > On Behalf Of Ben
> > Wiechman
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2022 8:05 AM
> > To: MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET <mailto:MICE-
> DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET>
> > Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] FW: Thursday Night Football from
> Amazon
> > Prime Video - Network Questionnaire
> >
> > They didn't indicate that this was confidential, nor do we
> have an NDA, so...
> >
> > This is a snippet of the information.
> >
> > CDN Partners
> > 32 Prime Video uses multiple CDN partners to deliver our live
> content. We
> > deploy a predetermined configuration giving weights to
> > 33 each of the CDNs based on their reported capacity, but the
> actual live
> > streams delivery is determined by performance. We work
> > 34 with our ISP partners to validate the available capacity so
> that we do not
> > create undue stress on the ISP network during peak
> > 35 events. The use of multiple CDNs with flexible weights
> provides us the
> > ability to dynamically shift traffic in case of performance
> > 36 degradation, or outages within a single CDN.
> > 37 The table below summarizes the CDN partners we plan to use
> (subject to
> > adjustment), and the function and protocol supported
> > 38 by each CDN. The actual traffic load on each CDN partner is
> based on their
> > performance and available capacity.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Ben Wiechman
> >
> > Director of IP Strategy and Engineering
> >
> >
> > 320.247.3224 | ben.wiechman@arvig.com
> <mailto:ben.wiechman@arvig.com>
> > <mailto:ben.wiechman@arvig.com <mailto:ben.wiechman@arvig.com>
> >
> >
> > Arvig | 224 East Main Street | Melrose, MN 56352 | arvig.com
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> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 18, 2022 at 8:00 AM Steve Savoy
> <stevesavoy@wctatel.com <mailto:stevesavoy@wctatel.com>
> > <mailto:stevesavoy@wctatel.com <mailto:stevesavoy@wctatel.com>
> > > wrote:
> >
> >
> > I’m just jealous that you are able to peer with Amazon.
> >
> >
> >
> > Been trying for 2 years now and nothing but ‘crickets’………… 😉
> >
> >
> >
> > Steve
> >
> >
> >
> > From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET
> <mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET>
> > <mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET <mailto:MICE-
> DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> > > On Behalf Of Dean Bahls
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2022 6:28 AM
> > To: MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET <mailto:MICE-
> DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> <mailto:MICE- <mailto:MICE->
> > DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET
> <mailto:DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> >
> > Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] FW: Thursday Night Football from
> > Amazon Prime Video - Network Questionnaire
> >
> >
> >
> > While I haven’t gotten that specific email from them, I’ve gotten
> > several Telegeography emails since 2012. They are referenced
> by Light
> > Reading Daily quite a bit. They *seem* to be a legit research
> firm contracted
> > by multiple companies.
> >
> >
> >
> > The Amazon / TNF partnership is a real deal….and MICE needs to
> be
> > prepared for a potential uptick in traffic on Thursdays.
> >
> >
> >
> > Dean
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET
> <mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET>
> > <mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET <mailto:MICE-
> DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> > > On Behalf Of
> > AnthonyAnderberg@NUVERA.NET
> <mailto:AnthonyAnderberg@NUVERA.NET>
> > <mailto:AnthonyAnderberg@NUVERA.NET
> <mailto:AnthonyAnderberg@NUVERA.NET> >
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2022 1:27 AM
> > To: MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET <mailto:MICE-
> DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> <mailto:MICE- <mailto:MICE->
> > DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET
> <mailto:DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> >
> > Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] FW: Thursday Night Football from
> Amazon
> > Prime Video - Network Questionnaire
> >
> >
> >
> > Has anyone else gotten an email like this?
> >
> >
> >
> > On the surface it seems legit, and I always like the opportunity
> to talk
> > about MICE, but I’m not sure how I feel about sharing such info...
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks in advance,
> >
> > Anthony
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Dec 16, 2021 at 1:29 PM Nataliya Coll
> > <ncoll@telegeography.com <mailto:ncoll@telegeography.com>
> <mailto:ncoll@telegeography.com <mailto:ncoll@telegeography.com> > >
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi David and Anthony,
> >
> >
> >
> > I am a telecoms analyst with TeleGeography in
> > Washington, DC. We have been contracted by Amazon Prime Video
> (APV) to
> > survey ISPs across the country in preparation for Prime
> Video’s exclusive
> > presentation of NFL Thursday Night Football (TNF) starting
> with the
> 2022 NFL
> > season.
> >
> > The attached letter from Amazon Prime Video
> > provides more detail about their network planning initiative.
> >
> >
> > To help avoid congestion on your network during
> > upcoming games, Amazon is asking us to query you so that they
> may better
> > understand your network point(s) of contact, service coverage
> area, CDN
> > provider(s), IP Transit provider(s), etc.
> >
> >
> >
> > Are you the correct contact person within your
> > network operations team to respond to these questions? If not,
> can you
> > please direct me to the right person within your network
> operations team?
> >
> >
> >
> > If you have any questions, feel free to contact me via
> > email or let me know if you would like to set up a call with me.
> >
> >
> > Thank you so much for your cooperation.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Nataliya Coll
> > Research Analyst, Europe & Eurasia
> > TeleGeography, a Division of PriMetrica, Inc.
> > One Thomas Circle, NW, Suite 360
> > Washington, DC 20005 USA
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