I believe in the past 5+ years MICE has become an Internet Exchange that is not just of local or regional note, but one that is globally recognized. This has been through the efforts of many people, but not the least of which was Mike's efforts at ICANN. If Mark is willing to pick up our flag and provide us continued representation at ICANN, I think that is an excellent thing for MICE, the Twin Cities, Minnesota, and the upper-midwest in general. I don't know Mark personally, but if both Mike and Owen are vouching for him, I'm more than happy to give him the benefit of the doubt and the opportunity to represent us at ICANN. I would ask that that he try to make it to some of our meetings, so we can get to know him better, but he sound's like the kind of guy who would do that without being asked anyway. :) Now also, in the last 5 years we've grown into a real organization with things like a budget, a mission, etc... We provide both critical infrastructure and leadership for the Internet community of our region. I think maintaining representation at ICANN is important to our organization and the leadership we provide. With that in mind I ask the MICE board to appoint Mark McFadden as our ISPCP constituency representative to ICANN. Thank You. On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 11:18 AM, Mike O'Connor <mike@haven2.com> wrote:
i asked Mark about MADIX and had a <facepalm> moment when he replied.
MICE is already a member of the ISPCP constituency -- that happened when i started out. MADIX is not. so reestablishing MICE's representation was one of the things on Mark's mind when he approached me.
mike
On Jun 15, 2017, at 9:42 AM, DeLong, Owen <00000005a669d12e-dmarc- request@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET <00000005a669d12e-dmarc-request@lists.iphouse.net>> wrote:
FWIW, I've know Mark for years and he's as dedicated an internet "public servant" as you'll ever find. He's knowledgeable, thoughtful, well known and well respected throughout many operational and governance/policy oriented groups and generally an all around good guy.
I can't think of anyone I would consider a better candidate for the position.
Owen
On Jun 14, 2017, at 14:24, Mike O'Connor <mike@HAVEN2.COM> wrote:
hi Justin,
i'll go with the will of the group on the degree to which we formalize Mark's role. however there's an ICANN Policy Forum coming up at the end of this month (June 26-29) in Johannesburg and i bet that Mark would appreciate some sort of indication of intent/willingness before the start of that meeting. at least some statement of intent with formal approval to follow, or something. what about this -- could i roll back to Mark with an informal "provisionally yes, final decision to follow" sentiment of the group?
i'll gently disagree with your point about DNS and numbering. we don't represent them, true enough. but we certainly rely on them, and i would propose that we rely on them in a unique way. for example of how DNS policy relates to ISPs -- there used to be about 10 gTLDs in the root, now there are over 1000. just check out a CPANEL nightly CRON job for a list. some of them work great, some not so much. when they don't work so well, typically ISPs get the first (complex) support call. there was a lively debate about the impact of badly-managed expansion of the root zone a few years ago and some significant stability changes to the policy were injected because of ISP-constituency positions.
another angle -- what if the DNS fell down and couldn't get up again? again, ISP representatives at ICANN are strong voices in support of SSR because of how much we rely on DNS. so no, we don't represent DNS. but we sure need it to work right. i think we need strong representation to counterbalance the organizations that simply want to sell more domains.
thanks,
mike
On Jun 14, 2017, at 3:53 PM, Justin Krejci <JKrejci@USINTERNET.COM <JKrejci@usinternet.com>> wrote:
Yeah, the explanation makes sense. Thanks for enumerating that out.
I feel like whether or not Mark would be a good fit, I don't think an informal poll on the list is sufficient for MICE. I would think either the board would need to decide or else an approved motion at a UG meeting would be the appropriate way to designate someone for this role/representation. If we are going to have these kinds of liason/representative roles, it should probably be formalized, at least a little bit like by having it noted on the website or something.
The few respondents so far seem pretty positive towards approving this request but I can quite honestly say I don't know anything about Mark aside from the snippet below and a few things I've read online:
Quick excerpt: https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/mcfadden-to-roseman-2003-11-11-en <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.icann.org_resources_pages_mcfadden-2Dto-2Droseman-2D2003-2D11-2D11-2Den&d=DwMF-g&c=96ZbZZcaMF4w0F4jpN6LZg&r=Q_d8tNiSzoBecM8os8iGQA&m=5J2QhLobNdVvSJzMkqOS9Nk3owIX5tubD1K5zPnpOqI&s=6oSqmL9wIGZyrsa7nL_cw_C3Nqaum0O6re4SucWPTuQ&e=> https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/interim/2015/05/12/dnsop/minutes/minutes- interim-2015-dnsop-1 <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.ietf.org_proceedings_interim_2015_05_12_dnsop_minutes_minutes-2Dinterim-2D2015-2Ddnsop-2D1&d=DwMF-g&c=96ZbZZcaMF4w0F4jpN6LZg&r=Q_d8tNiSzoBecM8os8iGQA&m=5J2QhLobNdVvSJzMkqOS9Nk3owIX5tubD1K5zPnpOqI&s=d4TvS6l7JhDeQnt6cfKEKzdCetaAYxfH7UzTtH_jCns&e=>
He seems like a rather pragmatic person, which I find very appropriate, especially in someone working on policy.
I still find it a bit of a stretch to say that MICE represents DNS or numbering in any meaningful way. MICE is made up of various members, some of whom are ISPs and DNS operators but DNS is not the mission or focus of MICE in any way. I would call it tangential at best.
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hi Justin,
no worries.
ICANN has a constituency that represents the interests of ISPs when it makes policy about the operation of the DNS. i represented MICE in the ISP Constituency from 2012 until last year when i finally retired from all things Internet. MICE has a stake in the DNS because we, and our ISP members, are the front-line responders if/when the DNS goes wrong. it's important for ISPs to speak up in favor of security, stability and resiliency of the DNS in policy discussions.
Mark's relationship with MICE would probably be a lot like mine -- interested supporter of the MICE mission. the way folks like Mark and me can help is by being a strong voice for the SSR issues that all ISPs face, including MICE and its member ISPs. knowing Mark as i do, i know that he would get to know MICE, would be happy to brief us on what's going on at ICANN, bring policy issues to us for comment and subsequently represent those views in policy discussions. having Mark in this role is like having a world-expert consultant as our representative in these policy discussions -- for free.
make sense?
mike
On Jun 14, 2017, at 2:16 PM, Justin Krejci <JKrejci@USINTERNET.COM <JKrejci@usinternet.com>> wrote:
No sleight against him in any way is intended but I would question his relationship to MICE; what is the reason he specifically would be representing our organization? Is he a member? What kinds of things were done in the past and what kinds of things would be expected in the future in terms of "representing MICE at ICANN" as I don't see much overlap of ICANN and MICE. What sort of weight or authority does this "volunteer to represent MICE at ICANN" really provide? Is he familiar with MICE and understand what our best interests are as an organization?
I am just confused by this whole request.
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Works for me as well.
FWIW, if people would like, I can back Mark up to some extent as I am now attending ICANN meetings representing Akamai as a registrar.
Owen
On Jun 14, 2017, at 11:55 , Jeremy Lumby <jlumby@MNVOIP.COM <jlumby@mnvoip.com>> wrote:
You have my vote
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-------- Original message -------- From: Mike O'Connor <mike@HAVEN2.COM <mike@haven2.com>> Date: 6/14/17 1:47 PM (GMT-06:00) To: MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET <MICE-DISCUSS@lists.iphouse.net> Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] a Madison-based ICANN colleague of mine wonders if he could represent us at ICANN?
------------------------------ From : Mike O'Connor [mike@HAVEN2.COM <mike@haven2.com>] To : MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET <MICE-DISCUSS@lists.iphouse.net> [ MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET <MICE-DISCUSS@lists.iphouse.net>] Date : Wednesday, June 14 2017 13:46:01 hi all,
Mark McFadden inquired as to whether he could take on the volunteer "represent MICE at ICANN" role that i used to fill. if that decision were left entirely to me i would say "absolutely" as Mark is one of the folks i held in highest regard while i was a participant at ICANN. i'm putting this request to you in much the same way that i did when i asked whether i could represent us, back in 2012. this would be a volunteer arrangement in which Mark would stand ready to provide briefings and insights as MICE requests - in return for which he would have standing within ICANN to continue his very long involvement in that organization.
i did a search on "Mark McFadden ICANN" which turned up all kinds of stuff. i thought this recent letter from Mark did a pretty good job of summarizing his qualifications.
ICANN:
I am pleased to submit my name for consideration for the AoC Review Team on Security, Stability, and Resilience of the DNS. I have attached a short CV and my statement of interest. Note that I have a formal Conflict of Interests statement, dated 1 August 2016, on file with ICANN.
I have been a participant in ICANN since its beginnings serving as Secretariat to the ISPCP constituency, the Chair of the Address Supporting Organization, member of the RSTEP, and most recently as a member of the ISPCP constituency. I have also directed work on two of the Independent Evaluation panels for the new gTLD program.
I have significant experience working with DNS infrastructure in my time at BT and subsequently as an advisor for Western European governments on Internet policy related to the DNS. In that capacity, I’ve worked on DNSSEC projects, standardization efforts in the IETF, andperformance and security management for large DNS implementations. I believe that the combination of technical and policy background makes for a very helpful addition to the SSR2.
While with BT, I was responsible for policy and technical coordination of a global DNS implementation and worked on DNSSEC, enum and other infrastructure related issues.
My interests in stability issues related to the DNS is broad. I have been a contributor to DNSOP in the IETF and to the effort to understand name collision in the context of the expansion of the DNS namespace.
I believe that the DNS is in the midst of significant evolutionary change and that the security, stability and resilience of the DNS is under threat in ways that were not the case during the first SSR. My interest in SSR2 is in enhancing the security, stability and resiliency of the DNS is practical, standards-based, data-driven approaches with clear mandates for ICANN and the community that makes ICANN effective.
Best regards,
Mark
Mark McFadden
Principal Consultant, Internet Infrastructure and Governance InterConnect Communications
what say you all? can i expand my "absolutely" vote from me to the rest of you?
thanks for considering this idea,
mike
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