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Fiber cut?
by Frank Bulk July 25, 2023

July 25, 2023

Did anyone notice a fiber cut on Zayo's network between Le Mars and Sioux City around 2:45 pm? Our staff saw some damage south to their fiber of NIPCO, but it's possible that Zayo abandoned that stretch of fiber due to an earlier Hwy 75 road project. Regards, Frank

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Re: FW: [EXTERNAL] - [MICE-DISCUSS] MICE Participants List
by Richard Laager June 28, 2023

June 28, 2023

It turns out that I had the route server links wrong. There is a database ID that gets put into the BIRD protocol. I thought it was the customer (participant) ID. But it turns out it is the VLAN Interface ID. I corrected this, and now the links work correctly. On 2023-06-28 06:26, Miles McCredie wrote: > > FWIW, the looking glass links generate the following message > -- Richard

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MICE Participants List
by Richard Laager June 28, 2023

June 28, 2023

The MICE participants list is now built from IXP Manager: https://micemn.net/participants.html If there is something wrong about your entry, please let me or Jeremy know. See below about port discrepancies, first. I want to specifically thank Dustin Frandle of South Front Networks. He started this effort with JavaScript code to convert a standard IX-F JSON export into a participants table. While I ended up going a different direction (for reasons discussed below), he got the ball rolling. Jeremy and I wanted to retain the contact addresses, which IXP Manager only outputs in the IX-F export if you are logged in. (And, despite my request, they remain firm in that position and refuse to allow customization.) Additionally, I wanted to retain the ports, since our current process has Cologix using the website as the LOA/CFA. (We may want to move to a more standard approach on that, but I didn't want to put that change into the critical path of getting the participants list automated.) Unfortunately, despite a previous request and my re-request for it, the IXP Manager maintainer has taken a firm position that the IX-F JSON export should not be customizable. So I cannot easily tweak the template to output emails when unauthenticated or add additional information for ports. IXP Manager does support the idea of a custom member export, and INEX (the exchange primarily behind IXP Manager development) does use that for a custom JSON output. However, that requires building the desired output from scratch. I figured if I was going to do that, I might as well just output HTML directly. That way, I only have one thing in one language (PHP) to worry about, rather than two things (PHP + JavaScript). Granted, there are some cons too. I'm not 100% happy about any of this. But, ultimately I had to make some decision to get it done, and that's where I landed. I did the best I could with the responsive design. There are a couple of pre-existing bugs on edge cases (e.g. when your size falls at 991.xx so it's not <= 991 but also not >= 992, which is maybe only possible on HiDPI displays) that affect the whole site. This page in particular is not ideal on mobile, but I did what I could. If you've got better ideas, please let me know. ---- There are a couple port discrepancies that I've asked Jeremy to review: 702 Communications * Bluepeak Broadband Visions * G-Core Labs * HBC * LTD Broadband Omnitel * Paul Bunyan South Front Truestream * US Internet * I'm pretty sure these were wrong/outdated on the old list and correct in IXP Manager / on the new list. -- Richard

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WiscNet router maintenance Thursday, June 29, 4pm
by Chris Wopat June 27, 2023

June 27, 2023

WiscNet will be replacing a router this coming Thursday at 4pm local time. Our MICE connection will be down during this transition. Expect it down for 15mins or so, maintenance should be complete by 7pm. Cheers, -- Chris Wopat Network Engineer, WiscNet wopat(a)wiscnet.net 608-210-3965

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Three BGP peers
by Frank Bulk June 24, 2023

June 24, 2023

Anyone else seeing both Yahoo peers and one Google peer down since early am? I didn't see any log messages about exceeding prefix counts or the like. Frank SiouxCity-Fibernet-Arista(s2)#sh ip bgp sum | ex Estab BGP summary information for VRF default Router identifier 207.32.15.21, local AS number 18883 Neighbor Status Codes: m - Under maintenance Neighbor V AS MsgRcvd MsgSent InQ OutQ Up/Down State PfxRcd PfxAcc 206.108.255.58 4 10310 2035987 4886675 0 0 12:23:38 Active 206.108.255.59 4 10310 2029469 4886360 0 0 12:23:41 Active 206.108.255.167 4 15169 2050148 4888984 0 0 12:23:40 Active SiouxCity-Fibernet-Arista(s2)#sh ipv6 bgp sum | ex Estab BGP summary information for VRF default Router identifier 207.32.15.21, local AS number 18883 Neighbor Status Codes: m - Under maintenance Neighbor V AS MsgRcvd MsgSent InQ OutQ Up/Down State PfxRcd PfxAcc 2001:504:27::2846:0:1 4 10310 2209610 1893247 0 0 12:23:40 Active 2001:504:27::2846:0:2 4 10310 2202613 1892818 0 0 12:23:47 Active 2001:504:27::3b41:0:2 4 15169 2043589 1894022 0 0 12:23:48 Active SiouxCity-Fibernet-Arista(s2)#

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Global Net (AS395466) - Circuit Down
by Global Net NOC June 24, 2023

June 24, 2023

MICEMN Members - Our circuit to Cologix in Minneapolis is hard down due to a bridge collapse, train derailment and subsequent fiber cut in Columbus, MT. Our BGP sessions remain down. GLOBAL NET AS 395466 IPV4 206.108.255.97 IPV6 2001:504:27:0:6:8ca:0:1 Thanks, Global Net NOC noc(a)theglobal.net Global Net Peering peering(a)theglobal.net

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Route Server 1 - BFD not working
by Jonathan Stewart June 23, 2023

June 23, 2023

Hi MICE, We are AS18451. On our BGP session to Route Server 1 (206.108.225.1 & 2001:504:27::d1af:0:1) i have lost the BFD session. My Juniper router shows the state as "Down". Is this intentional? An accident of the upgrades? Is my configuration wrong? Anyone else noticing this? My configuration is an interval of 1000 ms, multiplier 3. RS 2 is configured the same and BFD is up. Thanks, Jonathan -- Jonathan Stewart Network Engineer LES.NET - AS18451 Desk: 1-204-666-6191 Mobile: 1-204-990-2120 130 Portage Avenue E Winnipeg, MB R3C 0A1 CANADA

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Re: FW: Thursday Night Football from Amazon Prime Video - Network Questionnaire
by Justin Krejci June 16, 2023

June 16, 2023

I stumbled across this thread again while looking for something else and thought I'd add a small update that we did get our Qwilt server deployed on-net for us a while back and it did indeed serve a relatively large burst of traffic volume during the live streaming episodes of Thursday Night Football. ________________________________ From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> on behalf of Justin Krejci <JKrejci(a)USINTERNET.COM> Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2022 1:08 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] FW: Thursday Night Football from Amazon Prime Video - Network Questionnaire I believe it is just simpler for everyone involved when you are an NCTC member but I don't think it is a requirement necessarily. As Frank suggests, if you're interested in their services you should just reach out to them directly and they can tell you what they can and will do for you given your network and usage numbers. In my experience so far Qwilt are decent folks: I am still working through their process to get a deployment for our network and they have been competent and reasonable to work with so far. To contrast the email subject, because they are in the open caching market, they do not carry only Amazon content. ________________________________ From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> on behalf of Frank Bulk <fbulk(a)MYPREMIERONLINE.COM> Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2022 12:09 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] FW: Thursday Night Football from Amazon Prime Video - Network Questionnaire I don’t know if it’s exclusive to the NCTC or not – you could reach out to Qwilt and just ask them what options they have for you. Frank From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> On Behalf Of Ryan Malek Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2022 11:28 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] FW: Thursday Night Football from Amazon Prime Video - Network Questionnaire Is this offering going to be available to non NCTC members at a cost? (Is this maybe part of Qwilts default offering? ) TLDR: Is the Qwilt platform worth it outside of being an NCTC Member? :) ________________________________ Ryan Malek - Router12 Networks LLC Internet, Phone, and Hosted Services Ph. 641.420.7180 On 2/16/2022 11:08 AM, Frank Bulk wrote: If you’re an NCTC member there’s an opportunity to avoid transit costs and IX bandwidth concerns by serving the traffic from your own network using an “open” CDN: https://www.qwilt.com/nctc-and-qwilt-launch-joint-initiative-to-upgrade-nct…<https://url-shield.securence.com/?p=1.0&r=jkrejci@usinternet.com&sid=164503…> There’s no cost to NCTC members (just your own rack space, power, cooling, ports, and time). Frank From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET><mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> On Behalf Of Justin Krejci Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2022 10:56 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] FW: Thursday Night Football from Amazon Prime Video - Network Questionnaire Definitely legit and definitely worth pursuing additional connectivity with Amazon and CDNs that Amazon will use to distribute their NFL streaming content. We have peering active with Amazon at four IX locations (including MICE) and are trying to get some PNIs with them now too. https://aws.amazon.com/peering/locations/ This page lists Cologix Minneapolis as a site where interconnection can happen. If you have a lot of eyeballs on your network, you should definitely pursue adding/augmenting connectivity to Amazon. ________________________________ From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET>> on behalf of Steve Savoy <stevesavoy(a)WCTATEL.COM<mailto:stevesavoy@WCTATEL.COM>> Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2022 8:55 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] FW: Thursday Night Football from Amazon Prime Video - Network Questionnaire Thanks Jeremy! I'll give it another try. Steve -----Original Message----- From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET>> On Behalf Of Jeremy Lumby Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2022 8:49 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] FW: Thursday Night Football from Amazon Prime Video - Network Questionnaire Steve, Amazon can be notoriously difficult to get to respond, and when they finally do it can often take a couple months. They have recently moved to regional peering addresses, and it is worth sending the request to peering-amer(a)amazon.com<mailto:peering-amer@amazon.com> if you have not already. Jeremy Lumby Minnesota VoIP 9217 17th Ave S #216 Bloomington, MN 55425 M: 612-355-7740 D: 612-392-6814 F: 952-873-7425 jlumby(a)mnvoip.com<mailto:jlumby@mnvoip.com> From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Steve Savoy Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2022 8:01 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] FW: Thursday Night Football from Amazon Prime Video - Network Questionnaire I’m just jealous that you are able to peer with Amazon. Been trying for 2 years now and nothing but ‘crickets’………… 😉 Steve From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET>> On Behalf Of Dean Bahls Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2022 6:28 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] FW: Thursday Night Football from Amazon Prime Video - Network Questionnaire While I haven’t gotten that specific email from them, I’ve gotten several Telegeography emails since 2012. They are referenced by Light Reading Daily quite a bit. They *seem* to be a legit research firm contracted by multiple companies. The Amazon / TNF partnership is a real deal….and MICE needs to be prepared for a potential uptick in traffic on Thursdays. Dean From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET>> On Behalf Of AnthonyAnderberg(a)NUVERA.NET<mailto:AnthonyAnderberg@NUVERA.NET> Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2022 1:27 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] FW: Thursday Night Football from Amazon Prime Video - Network Questionnaire Has anyone else gotten an email like this? On the surface it seems legit, and I always like the opportunity to talk about MICE, but I’m not sure how I feel about sharing such info... Thanks in advance, Anthony On Thu, Dec 16, 2021 at 1:29 PM Nataliya Coll <ncoll(a)telegeography.com<mailto:ncoll@telegeography.com>> wrote: Hi David and Anthony, I am a telecoms analyst with TeleGeography in Washington, DC. We have been contracted by Amazon Prime Video (APV) to survey ISPs across the country in preparation for Prime Video’s exclusive presentation of NFL Thursday Night Football (TNF) starting with the 2022 NFL season. The attached letter from Amazon Prime Video provides more detail about their network planning initiative. To help avoid congestion on your network during upcoming games, Amazon is asking us to query you so that they may better understand your network point(s) of contact, service coverage area, CDN provider(s), IP Transit provider(s), etc. Are you the correct contact person within your network operations team to respond to these questions? If not, can you please direct me to the right person within your network operations team? If you have any questions, feel free to contact me via email or let me know if you would like to set up a call with me. Thank you so much for your cooperation. Nataliya Coll Research Analyst, Europe & Eurasia TeleGeography, a Division of PriMetrica, Inc. One Thomas Circle, NW, Suite 360 Washington, DC 20005 USA www.telegeography.com<https://url-shield.securence.com/?p=1.0&r=jkrejci@usinternet.com&sid=164503…> +1 (202) 741-0066 ________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1<https://url-shield.securence.com/?p=1.0&r=jkrejci@usinternet.com&sid=164503…> ________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1<https://url-shield.securence.com/?p=1.0&r=jkrejci@usinternet.com&sid=164503…> Confidentiality Notice: This correspondence is the property of Winnebago Cooperative Telecom Association and is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. 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RPKI ROAs
by Richard Laager June 14, 2023

June 14, 2023

In the ARIN web UI, it looks like a ROA can have multiple prefixes. For an end network such as myself (Wiktel hat on), what is the best practice... one ROA per prefix, or list multiple prefixes in the same ROA? With my MICE hat on, should MICE publish a ROA for the peering network space? The theoretical advantage would be some amount of hijacking protection. Though since it's not supposed to be announced, it probably doesn't matter much either way? As far as I can see, there's no explicit way to say "do not announce" in a ROA. But listing something with an origin AS of "0" seems to be a thing that is done for at least one deliberately invalid ROA (CloudFlare's 103.21.244.0/23). So, if I were to create a ROA for MICE, would that be an Origin AS of 53679 or 0? -- Richard

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OT: MIDCO Noc #
by Jay Hanke June 11, 2023

June 11, 2023

Does anyone have the 24x7 Midco NOC number? Jay

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