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IPv4 BGP session to Google down
by Frank Bulk April 19, 2022

April 19, 2022

Our BGP session bounce several times last might between 10:00 and 10:07 pm Central, and then has been down from 10:21 am. Anyone else seeing this? I see a little drop in the graph (http://micelg.usinternet.com/cacti/graph_view.php?action=tree&tree_id=1&lea…) this morning. Frank Bulk FiberNet (AS18883) Apr 7 10:21:55 207.32.15.14 Rib: %BGP-3-NOTIFICATION: sent to neighbor 206.108.255.167 (AS 15169) 4/0 (Hold Timer Expired Error/Unspecified) 0 bytes Apr 7 10:21:55 207.32.15.14 Rib: %BGP-5-ADJCHANGE: peer 206.108.255.167 (AS 15169) old state Established event HoldTime new state Idle Apr 7 10:22:00 207.32.15.14 Rib: %BGP-5-ADJCHANGE: peer 206.108.255.167 (AS 15169) old state OpenConfirm event RecvKeepAlive new state Established Apr 7 10:22:30 207.32.15.14 Rib: %BGP-5-ADJCHANGE: peer 206.108.255.167 (AS 15169) old state Established event HoldTime new state Idle

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Please welcome Nsight Telservices to MICE!
by Jeremy Lumby April 18, 2022

April 18, 2022

Name: Nsight Telservices Switch: MICE Core Port: E 6/22/1 ASN: 3663 IPv4: 206.108.255.192/24 IPv6: 2001:504:27:0:0:E4F::1/64 Peering Contact: network-routing(a)nsight.com Route Servers: YES BFD: YES Welcome Aboard! Jeremy Lumby Minnesota VoIP 9217 17th Ave S #216 Bloomington, MN 55425 Main: 612-355-7740 Direct: 612-392-6814 Fax: 952-873-7425 jlumby(a)mnvoip.com

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OT: NANOG call for presentations
by steve ulrich April 5, 2022

April 5, 2022

folks - long time lurker here. ( as well as a couple of times meatspace meeting attendee. ) apologies in advance for the off-topic email, but i'm on the NANOG program committee and we've had folks express interest in presentations regarding regional peering exchanges as well as talks regarding independent networks that have done interesting things from an operational perspective. e.g.: managing growth, novel deployment of access technologies. etc. it struck me that the folks peering at MICE or engaged in MICE operations might have great presentation ideas/material.. the next NANOG is in june in montreal, ca. but we're always looking for presentations for future NANOGs as well. NANOG has a variety of different presentation formats and we're open to suggestions. please feel free to submit an abstract online ( https://nanog.org/program/call-presentations/) and someone from the program committee thanks! -- steve ulrich (sulrich(a)botwerks.org)

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Please welcome Long Lines Broadband to MICE!
by Jeremy Lumby April 4, 2022

April 4, 2022

Name: Long Lines Broadband Switch: MICE Main Port: E6/21/1 ASN: 32867 IPv4: This is a port upgrade, all IP info remains the same. The new connection will be 100G IPv6: Peering Contact: data(a)longlines.biz Route Servers: Yes BFD: No Welcome Aboard Again! Jeremy Lumby Minnesota VoIP 9217 17th Ave S #216 Bloomington, MN 55425 Main: 612-355-7740 Direct: 612-392-6814 Fax: 952-873-7425 jlumby(a)mnvoip.com

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ARIN NOAUTH
by Jay Hanke April 4, 2022

April 4, 2022

ARIN NOAUTH (legacy IRR) is getting shut down today at 11 AM central time. There will likely be some filtering issues across the internet for networks that haven't updated their IRR. https://www.arin.net/blog/2022/02/16/Take-Action-Now-to-Prepare-for-the-ARI… -- Jay Hanke, President South Front Networks jayhanke(a)southfront.io Phone 612-204-0000

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MICE RS3 deactivated
by Jay Hanke March 31, 2022

March 31, 2022

MICE RS3 (test route server) has been powered down. Thanks! -- Jay Hanke, President South Front Networks jayhanke(a)southfront.io Phone 612-204-0000

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Re: MICE Remote Switch Policy
by Dean Bahls March 24, 2022

March 24, 2022

I don’t think we can create enough check boxes to protect against all combinations and permutations that nefarious folks can dream up….that’s why we have a board. I think the board is elected to make sure the exchange is being run properly….and that’s how I vote. If the board wants feedback on any of the topics below, I’m sure all of us have opinions, and that would probably provide guidance needed for the board to make an official ruling. All within the realm of reasonableness. Keep up the good work! Dean From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET>> On Behalf Of Richard Laager Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2022 3:59 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] MICE Remote Switch Policy I've had some discussions with the board as well as with Jay and Jeremy on these topics. The board consensus was to bring this (in general) to the membership for more input. As to the specifics, while I know others agree with at least parts of this, I'm only speaking for myself here. I'll let everyone articulate their own positions. (This disclaimer should not be read as me signaling the existance of disagreement either. I just don't want to put words in other people's mouths.) Our current policy on remote switches is here: https://micemn.net/technical.html#remotes It has the proposal presented to the membership for discussion, then the board makes a final decision. Is this decision ministerial or discretionary? That is, if the remote switch proposal checks all the boxes in our policy, is MICE "required" (supposed to) always grant it, or is the board supposed to apply some discretion? If the decision is ministerial, then why bother bringing this to the board (or for that matter, the members) all? Couldn't we save a bunch of time and hassle and simply have management (in some form, whether that's me, Jay, and/or Jeremy) approve it? If the decision is discretionary, are there particular criteria that the board should consider (above and beyond the listed criteria)? One criteria used in a discussion I had (and I can't recall which of us said it first) is "MICE's strategic interests". What would that phrase mean to you; what are some strategic interests of MICE? For a bit of an absurd example for the thought experiment, imagine that someone was proposing a MICE remote switch, but we knew their goal was to attract a bunch of members and then convert that into a competing exchange. Is that something we would have to agree to simply because they met all the objective criteria? When we were new and little, MICE certainly had an interest in making every decision in a way that would maximize additional peering. However, at this point, the calculus may be (I'd argue is) different. We are moving a lot of traffic and are important to our members / in our region. We have to be careful that our decisions do not destabilize the exchange--in multiple ways: technical, financial, or political. Either way, should we expand the list of objective criteria in the policy? Some examples: * We have previously discussed dedicated vs non-dedicated switches. As time goes along, I am more convinced than ever that MICE remote switches should be required to be dedicated. Non-dedicated switches present extra complications for configuration and troubleshooting. (Jeremy has some additional insight on this that he will share.) I think we should make it a requirement that the switch be dedicated. (Perhaps the board could still grant an exception in exceptional cases.) * Should we require that a remote switch have X number of participants committed? And if so, what is X? In my view, it hardly makes sense to have a remote switch one or two participants. They could just as well backhaul to MICE directly. The criteria for allowing new remote switches vs disconnecting existing remotes need not be the same. If we set a minimum of e.g. 5 participants, we don't necessarily need to disconnect existing remotes that don't meet that. And I think the consensus is that we would not, barring them creating some significant problem. How do we feel about far-away remote switches? (This is a live issue in the context of the proposed Kansas City remote.) Some concerns: * At Wiktel, I peer with MN VoIP's far away extensions in Minneapolis. For example, I peer at SeattleIX (SIX) in Minneapolis. This has caused me some issues. For example, latency-sensitive gaming traffic was tromboning Wiktel-Minneapolis-Seattle-Chicago-Seattle-Minneapolis-Wiktel rather than Wiktel-Chicago-Wiktel. * Is it safe to have a broadcast domain that stretches across multiple states (or half a continent, in the SIX case)? * If we take this to its logical extreme... Imagine we had a MICE extension in every datacenter in the U.S. I think that is pretty obviously untenable for a bunch of reasons. Something close to that is actually within the realm of possibility, with some of these virtual extension things that people are doing. (Reid would be able to cite who.) Granted, nobody is proposing that today, but where should we draw the line? * Far-away extensions may reduce the incentive for CDNs to install locally. Some counterpoints: * Nobody is forcing networks to use the far-away remotes. * If people choose to use them, they take their routing into their own hands. They need to understand the tromboning risk and set their own routing policy. * Counter-counterpoint: Do they? Especially smaller / less experienced networks? Have we adequately warned them? * Counter-counterpoint: The existence of these far-away peers doesn't affect just them. It also affects the other networks with which they peer. Everyone on the exchange needs to be aware of the existence of far-away participants and handle their routing policy accordingly. If there are enough far-away peers, this might tip networks into an opt-in route server policy, or even to only do bilaterals. This will disadvantage small participants. * Networks can backhaul into far-away exchanges directly. * Counter-counterpoint: But a remote switch makes this cheaper / more feasible / more common, which is literally the point of creating such a remote switch. * For a local eyeball network in Des Moines, neither MICE nor Kansas City are far-away from me. Even MICE via Kansas City is not likely to be problematic. This might be the only economically feasible way they could peer with Minneapolis content. -- Richard ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

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icmp v6 nd storm ~ 00:58:01 2022/03/18 GMT?
by Michael Hare March 24, 2022

March 24, 2022

I presume I wasn't the only one that felt the arp/nd storm that began ~ 00:58:01 2022/03/18 GMT? Event stopped for us by 01:03:02. I don't have info about mac addrs but our peering device reported 20kpps of icmp neighbor discovery. -Michael [AS3128]

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Corrected Room Code for Summer Meeting
by Jay Hanke March 23, 2022

March 23, 2022

The hotel fixed the booking issue with the block of rooms. The code is now working correctly. Here is a shortcut to the link, you can book one or two nights at the discounted rate. https://reservations.travelclick.com/109230?groupID=3466891 Also to attend you need to register in advance. https://www.eventcreate.com/e/mwps2022 Thanks! -- Jay Hanke, President South Front Networks jayhanke(a)southfront.io Phone 612-204-0000

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Re: MAC Address Filtering
by AnthonyAnderberg＠nuvera.net March 23, 2022

March 23, 2022

I’m going to be in tonight working on MOPs of my own, contact me off-list and we can talk about timing. Cheers, Anthony From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> on behalf of Larry Larsen <llarsen(a)LONGLINES.BIZ> Reply-To: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> Date: Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 3:19 PM To: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] MAC Address Filtering Good Afternoon; We are going to be swapping out a router this evening at 511, and if I remember correctly you have a MAC Address filter on your connections. Who do we need to work with to get the new MAC addresses authorized? Thank you! [cid:image001.png@01D83EC9.8E076EB0] Larry L. Larsen Director of Information Technology Phone: 712.271.5920 Email: llarsen(a)longlines.biz<mailto:llarsen@longlines.biz> 504 4th Street Sergeant Bluff, IA 51054 https://www.longlines.com/ [Title: Facebook - Description: image of Facebook icon]<https://www.facebook.com/LongLines/> [Title: LinkedIn - Description: image of LinkedIn icon] <https://www.linkedin.com/company/long-lines> [Title: Twitter - Description: image of Twitter icon] <https://twitter.com/LongLinesBB> ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

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MAC Address Filtering
by Larry Larsen March 23, 2022

March 23, 2022

Good Afternoon; We are going to be swapping out a router this evening at 511, and if I remember correctly you have a MAC Address filter on your connections. Who do we need to work with to get the new MAC addresses authorized? Thank you! [cid:image001.png@01D83EC9.4D210D70] Larry L. Larsen Director of Information Technology Phone: 712.271.5920 Email: llarsen(a)longlines.biz<mailto:llarsen@longlines.biz> 504 4th Street Sergeant Bluff, IA 51054 https://www.longlines.com/ [Title: Facebook - Description: image of Facebook icon]<https://www.facebook.com/LongLines/> [Title: LinkedIn - Description: image of LinkedIn icon] <https://www.linkedin.com/company/long-lines> [Title: Twitter - Description: image of Twitter icon] <https://twitter.com/LongLinesBB>

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Midwest Peering Summit Info July 26, 2022
by Jay Hanke March 21, 2022

March 21, 2022

As part of the MICE Summer outreach meeting. We have set up a Peering Summit with a number of neighboring Internet Exchanges. These include OmahaIX, KCIX, QCIX and several others. Each of the involved IXes will be attending and assisting in marketing the event to their users. Here's the link to the registration for the conference. https://www.eventcreate.com/e/mwps2022 Advanced registration is free for peering networks. We'll encounter an extra fee from the venue for attendees not pre registered. We'd ask that you pick up a table if you're going to bring sales folks. We have a block of rooms reserved with a discount at the hotel for rooms from the 25th through the 27th of July at $95 per night. Log into: https://www.stoneycreekhotels.com/ Click book now Des Moines Discount Code: 2207SOUTHF Thanks! -- Jay Hanke, President South Front Networks jayhanke(a)southfront.io Phone 612-204-0000

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MICE Secretary
by Richard Laager March 19, 2022

March 19, 2022

This is going to MICE-ANNOUNCE too, in this interest of formalities. After the UG 40 meeting on March 11, the MICE board appointed Anthony Anderberg as Secretary. (This is separate from the Treasurer appointment which happened earlier and was mentioned during the meeting.) -- Richard

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Netnod Down?
by David Farmer March 19, 2022

March 19, 2022

Is Netnod down at MICE? I'm not seeing any routes from them, at least via the route servers. Thanks -- =============================================== David Farmer Email:farmer@umn.edu Networking & Telecommunication Services Office of Information Technology University of Minnesota 2218 University Ave SE Phone: 612-626-0815 Minneapolis, MN 55414-3029 Cell: 612-812-9952 ===============================================

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MICE Social
by Richard Laager March 16, 2022

March 16, 2022

With the meeting reschedule, we kinda tossed around the idea of a MICE Social. I’d imagine this would be going out to supper, similar to how we do after in person meetings. Is anyone interested in getting together tomorrow (Wednesday)? I am at the Hyatt Regency for MTA, but am open to various locations. -- Richard

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Board Minutes
by Jeremy Lumby March 15, 2022

March 15, 2022

Since we did not have much open discussion time at the end of today's meeting, I wanted to propose a change for the procedure that the board follows. I propose that the board start taking, and publishing minutes from board meetings. This would allow the membership to see how the board members were voting/representing their interests. It would also be invaluable information for the voting members to have in the event that we ever had a contested election again. Jeremy Lumby Minnesota VoIP 9217 17th Ave S #216 Bloomington, MN 55425 M: 612-355-7740 D: 612-392-6814 F: 952-873-7425 jlumby(a)mnvoip.com

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Re: MICE marketing
by Richard Laager March 15, 2022

March 15, 2022

We are in the process of converting to IXP Manager. Will that provide the data you need? If so, then it’s not likely worth fiddling with much more now. If IXP Manager won’t provide the data, then it sounds like we should add the average to the graph? -- Richard > On Mar 11, 2022, at 22:50, Bill Woodcock <woody(a)pch.net> wrote: > > > >> On Mar 12, 2022, at 3:53 AM, Richard Laager <rlaager(a)wiktel.com> wrote: >> >> https://www.pch.net/ixp/dir lists "Midwest Internet Cooperative Exchange" as having an average of 1K of traffic. > > Ah, you changed your traffic graph URL. I’ve updated to your new URL, and the new numbers should be reflected immediately. Also, the graph you produce doesn’t show your average (which is the only economically-significant number), and we’re in the process of rewriting our code (which broke) that calculates average values from graph bitmaps, and if you’re making your raw data available, we don’t have a URL for it… Everything goes smoothest when we can pull raw data rather than scraping from the bitmap. With 800 IXPs to collect data from every day, the ones that are fully automated scale well, but the ones that require a human being to go do something don’t scale well for us, since we’re only about twenty people. > > -Bill >

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MICE marketing
by Miles McCredie March 14, 2022

March 14, 2022

One other comment on the marketing side - It would be handy to have PCH update https://www.pch.net/ixp/dir#!mt-filters=%7B%22ctry%22%3A%5B%22dropdown%22%2…. I received a snarky comment from someone about the 1Kbps average traffic that they are showing. [http://images.midcocomm.com/ES_MidcoLogo.png] Miles McCredie Network Engineer - Architect Office: 6052755192 Miles.McCredie(a)midco.com Midco.com

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Please welcome StackPath to MICE!
by Jeremy Lumby March 12, 2022

March 12, 2022

Name: StackPath Switch: MICE Core Port: 3/27/1 -> Po21 & 6/20/1 -> Po25 ASN: 33438 IPv4: 206.108.255.189/24 & 206.108.255.190/24 IPv6: 2001:504:27:0:0:829E::1/64 & 2001:504:27:0:0:829E::2/64 Peering Contact: peering(a)stackpath.com Route Servers: YES BFD: No Welcome Aboard! Jeremy Lumby Minnesota VoIP 9217 17th Ave S #216 Bloomington, MN 55425 Main: 612-355-7740 Direct: 612-392-6814 Fax: 952-873-7425 jlumby(a)mnvoip.com

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MICE UG40 Minutes
by AnthonyAnderberg＠nuvera.net March 12, 2022

March 12, 2022

One correction from the meeting: In the treasurers report I stated that we’d reimbursed Richard Laager $2704.44 for new server hardware, I was reading the wrong column in the report - the amount reimbursed was actually $1576.65. I’ve updated these notes to correct that, as always let me know if anyone sees anything else wrong or silly. Cheers, anthony

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MICE RS3 Removal
by Jay Hanke March 9, 2022

March 9, 2022

The MICE RS3 route server in Albert Lea will be removed from service on 3/18/2022. Please turn down any remaining BGP sessions used for testing. Thanks! -- Jay Hanke, President South Front Networks jayhanke(a)southfront.io Phone 612-204-0000

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Omnitech Port Move
by Jay Hanke March 9, 2022

March 9, 2022

Omnitech has moved from Eth10 of the SFN MICE remote to port Eth7/3 of the MICE 100G remote. -- Jay Hanke, President South Front Networks jayhanke(a)southfront.io Phone 612-204-0000

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CL Tel Port Upgrade/Move
by Jay Hanke March 8, 2022

March 8, 2022

CL Tel has moved to the SFN 100G Remote Ports -Port Channel 2 -Ethernet5/1 -Ethernet8/1 The new connection is now 20G (2x10G). IP information remains the same. Welcome aboard! -- Jay Hanke, President South Front Networks jayhanke(a)southfront.io Phone 612-204-0000

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Fiber Minnesota Satellite Upgrade
by Dean Bahls March 7, 2022

March 7, 2022

Good morning! FM (CNS) is going to upgrade our satellite switch on Tuesday, March 15 @ 9:00am. We are going to have BGP shut down on the core switch to keep the process as graceful as possible. The new switch is installed, powered up and configured, so it is mostly just a migration of optics and jumpers. We expect the entire process to take <30 minutes. Mostly this is an FYI to everyone that you'll see a disruption in connectivity to our downstream customers at this time. Oh, and Anthony may have to do some work in Cacti as well. Please let me know if you have any questions about this. Thanks, Dean Dean Bahls Network Operations Manager | Fiber Minnesota 14 Main St SW | PO Box J | Menahga, MN 56464 218.564-1321 (Direct) | 218.564.3000 (Main Office) <mailto:dean.bahls@fiberminnesota.com> dean.bahls(a)fiberminnesota.com

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Please welcome Great Plains Network to MICE!
by Jeremy Lumby March 2, 2022

March 2, 2022

Name: Great Plains Network Switch: WiscNet Port: et-0/0/17 (ae8.100) ASN: 11317 IPv4: 206.108.255.187/24 IPv6: 2001:504:27:0:0:2C35::1/64 Peering Contact: peering(a)greatplains.net Route Servers: Yes BFD: Yes Welcome Aboard! Jeremy Lumby Minnesota VoIP 9217 17th Ave S #216 Bloomington, MN 55425 Main: 612-355-7740 Direct: 612-392-6814 Fax: 952-873-7425 jlumby(a)mnvoip.com

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