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NANOG56
by Koch, Andrew Oct. 19, 2012

Oct. 19, 2012

I will be in Dallas next week for NANOG. I see there are a few other names on the attendee list that are MICE participants. Make sure to say hello, especially if you haven't yet renumbered your peering session and want confirm it is up after you make the change -- nudge, nudge. Is anyone planning to represent MICE during the Peering Track? There has typically be a few minutes for IXes to provide updates on goings-on. Might be a good time to put our name out there and show an example of what community supported peering can accomplish. I'd be willing to do so, unless Jay or someone else already has cared for this. If you would like for me to do this, can someone share an editable copy of the MICE presentation? Andy Koch TDS Telecom - IP Network Operations andrew.koch(a)tdstelecom.com Desk: 608-664-4694 Cell: 608-616-0072 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

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Akamai peering at MICE
by Yeung, Kams Oct. 16, 2012

Oct. 16, 2012

Hi All MICE members, Following the announcement of MICE re-numbering plan, we're going to change our peering IP addresses at MICE to: IPv4: 206.108.255.84 IPv6: 2001:504:27::51CC:0:1 Please note that there will be a short traffic interruption when we change our interface IP and we plan to make the change on coming Thursday 18th Oct at 11am-12noon UTC. If you've already peered with Akamai, please setup new peering sessions with our new IP addresses. If you haven't peer with Akamai and would like to, please send an email to peering(a)akamai.com<mailto:peering@akamai.com> We'll remove the peering sessions on our old IP addresses by end of this year. Thanks Regards, Kams Akamai ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

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Netflix Open Connect
by Darin Steffl Oct. 12, 2012

Oct. 12, 2012

https://signup.netflix.com/openconnect Any chance one of these could be deployed and connected to the MICE exchange to keep traffic from going to Chicago? -- Darin Steffl ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

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ASN Traffic Analysis/Tracking/Graphing Tool(s)?
by Russell Berg Oct. 11, 2012

Oct. 11, 2012

The graphs and weathermap tools for MICE are great... does anyone have a good AS traffic analysis tool that could be recommended/added? I think the University of Wisconsin may have rolled their own, check out: http://stats.net.wisc.edu/cgi-bin/AsQuery.fcgi?as_number=57&fetch_date=2012… using UMN's AS (57) as an example. Searches for an open source tool called AsQuery were unsuccessful. Thanks, Russell Berg WIN/Airstream Communications www.wins.net ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

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Dormant Ports
by Jay Hanke Oct. 10, 2012

Oct. 10, 2012

The Integra, Zayo and Implex port have been dormant (down/down) for quite some time. If you're part of these organizations please let us know if you plan to connect and peer so we can clean up the records. Thanks, Jay ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

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Books
by Anthony Anderberg Oct. 10, 2012

Oct. 10, 2012

I brought a couple topical books to the MICE UG7 meeting, including a book called Tubes that mentions MICE. As the social hour started to die down I went down to do some work in our racks and when I came back the books were gone. All of the people were gone too so I assume someone picked them up and has thus-far forgotten to ping me regarding their current location. Ping away. Anthony Anderberg Sr. Systems Analyst [NUtel_email_logo_1] 320-234-5239 anthonyanderberg(a)nu-telecom.net<mailto:anthonyanderberg@nu-telecom.net> www.nutelecom.net ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

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Cologix Press Release - MICE IP Exchange
by Mike Hemphill Oct. 10, 2012

Oct. 10, 2012

Good morning, FYI, please see attached Press Release that Cologix is sending out this morning announcing that we have renewed and extended our support for the Midwest Internet Cooperative Exchange <http://www.micemn.net/> (MICE). Thank you to all MICE members, Cologix appreciates our relationship with MICE & each MICE member! Best regards, Mike Mike Hemphill General Manager | *Cologix, Inc.** *511 11th Ave S, Suite 450 | Minneapolis, MN 55415 P: 612.333.1922 | M: 612.812.5242 mike.hemphill(a)cologix.com cologix.com ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

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Route Server
by Jay Hanke Oct. 9, 2012

Oct. 9, 2012

Can someone add the new IP addresses to the rviews router? -- Jay Hanke CTO, CCIE #19093 Mankato Networks LLC PO Box 54 619 S Front St Mankato, MN 56001-3838 Google 530-618-2398 jayhanke(a)mankatonetworks.net http://www.mankatonetworks.com ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

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MICE Cost Breakdowns
by Jay Hanke Oct. 8, 2012

Oct. 8, 2012

Thanks for all the work and input on this. I got a chance to play with the orange squares this morning. I adjusted the Relative value of the 10G to 1G to 2.64, basically to make the 10G port cost come out to 1k per solar cycle. The total 10G at $1440 (1k + 440) seemed to be reasonable. Remote Switches I'd further propose that remote switch operators pay their port fee but not an IP fee unless they are peering as well. Anyone who pays any fee is a member and has voting rights. Which is a change from our current requirement of having 1 BGP session. Any AS connected to a remote switch pays the IP Fee and the port costs are between them and the remote switch "owner". Remote Switch owners must provide superuser rights to MICE for their switches to provide common administration. I'd also argue the equipment switching must be dedicated. Remote switch operators are responsible for all the costs associated with running their remote switches. Addition of future switches requires Board of Governors approval, and likely some written agreement in the future. Remote Switches applies to attaching a L2 fabric to the network not transporting single connections. I think MICE not purchase or provide any transport period. If other parties want to offer that service I don't see an issue with it Grace Period I'd advocate offering a six month grace for new members on either 1G or 10G ports for new participants. Small Networks Under this model, small networks could connect to a "cheaper" remote switch so they would have a way to connect and participate in MICE that's feasible for them. ~$500/year isn't a huge hurdle. Expansion beyond 511 I think MICE should focus on getting our ducks in a row in 511 for now. I would be open to "seeding" a second exchange somewhere else in the Midwest. Promotion We should budget something for promotion and holding events. Organizing a UG is a PITA when you need to get everything for free. In addition, we may need to chip in for some travel at some point. Remote Hands Entering in a contract for 24x7 support is also something we should explore. -- Jay Hanke CTO, CCIE #19093 Mankato Networks LLC PO Box 54 619 S Front St Mankato, MN 56001-3838 Google 530-618-2398 jayhanke(a)mankatonetworks.net http://www.mankatonetworks.com ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

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ARIN in Minneapolis
by Jay Hanke Oct. 8, 2012

Oct. 8, 2012

Is anyone else going to the ARIN meeting on Thursday in Minneapolis? -- Jay Hanke CTO, CCIE #19093 Mankato Networks LLC PO Box 54 619 S Front St Mankato, MN 56001-3838 Google 530-618-2398 jayhanke(a)mankatonetworks.net http://www.mankatonetworks.com ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

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New cost breakdown worksheet
by Shaun Carlson Oct. 5, 2012

Oct. 5, 2012

All, Richard Laager from Wikstrom Telephone and I have put together a spreadsheet (see link below) detailing the cost breakdown and potential fee structures for MICE. I've highlighted the input fields in orange (you're welcome Mike H) and would encourage you to review the values and assumptions annotated within the sheet. MICE Cost Breakdown, Oct 2012.xlsx <http://db.tt/aJCZNXGz> This spreadsheet proposes fees based on the current costs of the exchange. While slightly simplistic (e.g. no effort was made to account for inflation), this seemed like a reasonable and mostly-objective path to calculating the first year of fees. These costs assume that labor is still donated. The space and power costs are included, even though they're currently donated for 3 years; the effect of this will be to build up reserves. These reserves would be to allow for unforeseen events as well as growth (e.g. adding another switch if we run out of ports). The hardware costs of the existing switches are included as well, even though the switches are already paid for. This will build up funding to buy the next generation of switches (40G or 100G). Yearly, the Board of Governors ("steering committee") needs to update (or review the work of a committee which has updated) the inputs to cost projections. After this first year, since the "expected life" will be one year less, the hardware purchase costs will need to be updated to account for costs already recovered. For example, pretend we had only one switch that cost $10,000, support costs $1,000/year, and we expect to install then next generation switch in 5 years. The methods used in the spreadsheet would show we need to recover: 10000 / 5 + 1000 = $3000/year. Next year, if we are still exactly on, the fees don't change. Since we recovered $2,000 in the first year, we now need to recover: 8000 / 4 + 1000 = $3000/year. As the best estimates (for the cost of the next generation of switch and the remaining time until such a switch is necessary) are updated, the costs will go up or down. Additionally, Richard and I discussed some policy notes and considerations and wanted to include the following for your review and comment as well. *POLICY PROPOSALS:* *General * The term "Resources" refers to physical or logical resources such as IP addresses, ports, etc. In the 4th quarter, the rates for Resources for the upcoming year shall be fixed by the Board of Governors. The new rates shall take effect on January 1. Future policy action may define a Grace Period (e.g. for new members) during which fees are waived. This Grace Period is separate from, and in addition to, the "one month" references below. *Prorating * Annual rates shall be prorated by months only. Resources connected on or before the 15th of a month shall be billed effective the 1st of that month. Resources connected after the 15th shall be billed effective the 1st of the next month. No refunds shall be given for disconnections. Credit is only given during migrations, as provided below. *Migrations * Additional resources utilized during MICE-initiated migrations are not billable provided the member complies with MICE's timetable for that migration. Members upgrading (not downgrading) the type (speed) of their ports (e.g. one or more 1G ports to one or more 10G ports) shall be prorated the difference between the port costs. If the difference is negative, the credit may be carried forward up to one year. During the period of overlap between the sets of ports, one month's overlap of the cheaper set shall be credited; if there is less than one month of overlap, no overlapping charges apply. *IPs * Upon application, a new member shall be assigned one set of one IPv4 address and one IPv6 address. The IPs are billable one month after the route servers are configured (unless the member opts out of multi-lateral peering) and the member is notified of the assignment. Additional IPv4 and IPv6 addresse sets are billable at the same rate as the first set. Members may not be assigned more than two sets of addresses without future policy action. *Ports * Ports are billable once configured and the member is notified of the assignment, except that ports assigned to new members are billable one month later. *Transceivers * Transceivers (SFP, SFP+, etc.), when required for ports, must be purchased from MICE or provided by the member. If purchased from MICE, no Grace Period applies. If provided, the transceiver must meet MICE's requirements, which may include a manufacturer or manufacturer compatibility specification for switch support reasons. Transceivers (once paid for) remain the property of the member. Feel free to play around with the numbers and understand the cost breakdowns for yourself. Let us know if you have questions regarding the sheet or the included calculations/assumptions. Thanks! s *Shaun Carlson *Senior Network Engineer | Arvig ph: (218) 346-8673 | contact: protocol.by/scarlson em: shaun.carlson(a)arvig.com ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

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Please welcome Broadband Visions to MICE
by Anthony Anderberg Oct. 5, 2012

Oct. 5, 2012

Connecting via the Mankato Networks switch. Broadband Visions (BBV) ASN 25615 New/Primary IPs: 206.108.255.107 2001:504:27:0:0:640F::1 Old/Secondary IPs: 69.147.218.107 2607:fe10:ffff::107 Anthony Anderberg Sr. Systems Analyst [NUtel_email_logo_1] 320-234-5239 anthonyanderberg(a)nu-telecom.net<mailto:anthonyanderberg@nu-telecom.net> www.nutelecom.net ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

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New MICE SC Member
by Jay Hanke Oct. 4, 2012

Oct. 4, 2012

Please congratulate Shaun Carlson of Arvig as the new MICE Steering Committee Member. Shaun will be serving a three year term ending in Fall 2015. Shaun replaces Mike Horwath of ipHouse. Thanks! -- Jay Hanke CTO, CCIE #19093 Mankato Networks LLC PO Box 54 619 S Front St Mankato, MN 56001-3838 Google 530-618-2398 jayhanke(a)mankatonetworks.net http://www.mankatonetworks.com ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

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Finance committee set
by Mike Horwath Oct. 3, 2012

Oct. 3, 2012

New spreadsheet oncoming about costs and revenue needs for MICE. Thanks guys! EX4200-24-T $1900 EX4200-48-T $4200 EX4500 $19,500 Max virtual chassis config is 10 EX4200 series or 2 EX4200 + EX4500 series. Maintenance fees were in another message and I hope we can keep the discount long term. Cologix will be approximately $1600 per month for a rack and A+B power at 20A (Mr. Hemphill please correct me). Is figure three years for ROI. Two years may be better depending on growth plans to cover updates. -- Mike, via phone ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

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Please welcome Savage Communications to MICE
by Jay Hanke Oct. 3, 2012

Oct. 3, 2012

Here is the IP assignment: Savage Communications ASN 23260 Secondary IP: 69.147.218.17 (temp) Primary IP: 206.108.255.17 Secondary IPv6: 2607:fe10:ffff::17 (temp) Primary IPv6: 2001:504:27:0:0:5ADC::1 SCI will peer with the route servers at: 206.108.255.1 206.108.255.2 2001:504:27:0:0:D1AF::1 2001:504:27:0:0:D1AF::2 Please configure the route servers. Thanks! -- Jay Hanke CTO, CCIE #19093 Mankato Networks LLC PO Box 54 619 S Front St Mankato, MN 56001-3838 Google 530-618-2398 jayhanke(a)mankatonetworks.net http://www.mankatonetworks.com ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

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MICE Legal Documents
by Jay Hanke Oct. 3, 2012

Oct. 3, 2012

The legal documents we will be talking about in the meeting are available here: http://mankatonetworks.com/MICE/MICE-Legal-Info.zip These are in MS-Word format. -- Jay Hanke CTO, CCIE #19093 Mankato Networks LLC PO Box 54 619 S Front St Mankato, MN 56001-3838 Google 530-618-2398 jayhanke(a)mankatonetworks.net http://www.mankatonetworks.com ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

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MICE Renumbering project First Milestone Reached 10/1/2012
by Jay Hanke Oct. 1, 2012

Oct. 1, 2012

We've reached the first milestone in the MICE renumbering project. By now, all peering email contacts have recieved notice of the new IP addresses, and a timeline and request to have the new IP address setup as a secondary on their MICE facing interface by today, 10/1/2012. The timeline also stated that members can now start to schedule their maintenance windows to shift around their BGP announcements so they can announce their prefixes with a next-hop IP in the new IP range. Unfortunately, doing spot checks only about 22% of members seem to have done the secondary IPv4 setup yet based on ping results. If you have not yet put your new IP addresses on a secondary IP on your interface, please do this as-soon-as-possible. If you do not, and another member does shift their prefix announcement, your network will have reachability issues to the other member, trying to get to an IP address your router doesn't know how to reach. Again, here is the cutover schedule that was emailed out: Addition of Address Secondary: before 10/1/2012 New Prefix Announcements: after 10/1/2012 Final use of old IP address next-hop: before 11/30/2012 Removal of old IP address range: after 12/1/2012 Project End: 12/31/2012 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

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Record MICE Traffic
by Jay Hanke Sept. 26, 2012

Sept. 26, 2012

We crossed over the 5Gb/s barrier about noon today... 5.65 Gb/s on a 5 minute average. :) Jay ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

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cogent?
by Ryan Goldberg Sept. 26, 2012

Sept. 26, 2012

Anybody having noticing any funny business going in/out cogent? Thanks- Ryan ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

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Current SC Candidate List
by Jay Hanke Sept. 25, 2012

Sept. 25, 2012

Here is what I have so far: Shaun Carlson Arvig Dan Boehlke Ties Steve Ulrich Cisco Martin Hannigan Akamai Ryan Goldberg Compudyne If I missed you or you would like to join the list email me at peering(a)micemn.net Thanks! Jay ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

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MICE UG 7 Elections
by Jay Hanke Sept. 22, 2012

Sept. 22, 2012

We have one seat open on the MICE Steering Committee and we are looking for volunteers. The SC set the direction of the exchange and deals with all the business stuff required to keep the exchange operational. The technical work is almost all handled by individual volunteers. There is no requirement to be a MICE Member to serve on the SC. Mike Horwath is currently termed out. Jay Hanke is also termed out and will vacate his seat at the next UG this Spring. If you would like to serve or know someone who would please email us at peering(a)micemn.net or post to the discus list. We will vote in person at the MICE UG meeting on October 3rd. Each connected AS will receive one vote. If your organization cannot attend in person, please arrange a proxy to vote for you. Thanks! The Steering Committee ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

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MICE Meetings
by Jay Hanke Sept. 21, 2012

Sept. 21, 2012

I'll be in the Fargo area October 25-26 if anyone is interested in a MICE presentation for their company. -- Jay Hanke CTO, CCIE #19093 Mankato Networks LLC PO Box 54 619 S Front St Mankato, MN 56001-3838 Google 530-618-2398 jayhanke(a)mankatonetworks.net http://www.mankatonetworks.com ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

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MICE UG 7 Agenda Items
by Jay Hanke Sept. 21, 2012

Sept. 21, 2012

Here's a preliminary agenda for the UG meeting. Please let me know what should be added. -Steering Committee Election -Switch Migration Summary (Anthony/Mike B) -IP address Migration (Anthony/Doug) -Financial Summary -Operating Agreement Update -ConnectMN Presentation -Refreshments Courtesy of CNS -- Jay Hanke CTO, CCIE #19093 Mankato Networks LLC PO Box 54 619 S Front St Mankato, MN 56001-3838 Google 530-618-2398 jayhanke(a)mankatonetworks.net http://www.mankatonetworks.com ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

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ICANN is looking for your input on a technical-requirements survey for next-generation WHOIS
by Mike O'Connor Sept. 15, 2012

Sept. 15, 2012

hi all, ICANN is working on a technical requirements document that described next-generation WHOIS and, as ISPs, it seems to me that y'all would have a lot of interest in this topic. ICANN just posted a "gather your ideas and inputs" survey which you're welcome to submit. warning, it's a little long and fairly technical. but your ideas will be feeding right into a joint ICANN/IETF gang that's working on this. i've posted the blurb and relevant links below. mikey The Generic Names Supporting Organization (GNSO) Council's WHOIS Survey Working Group (WSWG) invites the Internet community to participate in a survey designed around an inventory of WHOIS technical components. The survey aims to measure the level of support for various technical requirements outlined in the WHOIS Service Requirements Report, as requested of ICANN Staff by the GNSO Council. The survey consists of 15 sections around 11 technical requirements, and it will be made available until 31 October 2012. Afterwards, the WSWG will produce a final report and deliver it to the GNSO Council toward the end of 2012. The report will describe the results of the survey and any agreed upon recommendations by the WG for the GNSO Council's consideration concerning WHOIS. Survey attributes are as follows: Survey Availability Date: 13 September 2012 Survey Address: https://limesurvey.icann.org/index.php?sid=71483&lang=en Survey Close Date: 31 October 2012, 23:59 UTC Survey Language: English only The survey is lengthy and therefore the option has been made available to create an ID and return to the survey at a later time to complete it. The survey tool will save all answers completed from the time the survey was last accessed. It is important that if the participant leaves the survey before submission or creation of an ID, the session may time-out with increased of risk losing answers. Many sections of this survey will require a high degree of technical skill around WHOIS. If the participant feels that they may not understand a question or not possess the technical knowledge to answer it appropriately, then the participant is welcome to skip the question and move on to the next one. If completing the survey for an organization, the participant may wish to engage more technical personnel to help complete all sections of the survey. The WSWG appreciates your participation and the working group looks forward to sharing the final results with the community. Please feel free to inform others about the availability of this survey to assist the working group with maximum participation. If questions arise about the survey or the tool, please contact the GNSO Policy Team at: policy-staff(a)icann.org. - - - - - - - - - phone 651-647-6109 fax 866-280-2356 web http://www.haven2.com handle OConnorStP (ID for public places like Twitter, Facebook, Google, etc.) ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

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MICE Traffic Lower
by Jay Hanke Sept. 12, 2012

Sept. 12, 2012

It looks like we're running ~500-700 Mb/s lower in overall traffic after the switch upgrade. Any ideas on why? -- Jay Hanke CTO, CCIE #19093 Mankato Networks LLC PO Box 54 619 S Front St Mankato, MN 56001-3838 Google 530-618-2398 jayhanke(a)mankatonetworks.net http://www.mankatonetworks.com ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

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