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Please welcome Onvoy Voice Services to MICE
by Jay Hanke 15 Nov '12

15 Nov '12

Here is their assignment information: xe-0/0/5 Onvoy Voice Services ASN5715 IPv4 206.108.255.48/24 IPv6 2001:504:27:0:0:1653::1/64 Peering Contact: craig.olson(a)onvoy.com They will be connecting to the route servers and need to be set up. -- Jay Hanke CTO, CCIE #19093 Mankato Networks LLC PO Box 54 619 S Front St Mankato, MN 56001-3838 Google 530-618-2398 jayhanke(a)mankatonetworks.net http://www.mankatonetworks.com ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

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Re: Netflix Open Connect
by Dean Bahls 12 Nov '12

12 Nov '12

It's been about a month since this last came up on the MICE discussion. Any updates anyone have to offer? Thanks, Dean -----Original Message----- From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Frank Bulk Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 11:05 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Netflix Open Connect I emailed with another Iowa ITC the other day that talked to Temkin's cohort this week, Pete, and he was told it was in the next 6 months. There's conflicting info out there. Frank -----Original Message----- From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Andrew Hoyos Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2012 5:42 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Netflix Open Connect On Oct 10, 2012, at 8:35 PM, Jay Hanke wrote: > On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 7:16 PM, Jeremy Lumby <jlumby(a)mnvoip.com> wrote: >> Does anyone know if it is still on track for Q1 2013? >> > > I'll see the Netflix guys at NANOG and confirm. I don't think anything > has changed. I talked with Dave Temkin about this (we've been working on the same in Madison), he said it's still on the roadmap for 2012. -- Andrew Hoyos hoyosa(a)gmail.com ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2441/5327 - Release Date: 10/12/12 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

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Re: Peering between AS 57 and AS 10242 via MICE
by Frank DiGravina 11 Nov '12

11 Nov '12

All, Upon reload this morning, it was observed that peering between Northernlights GigaPOP AS 57 and USINTERNET AS 10242 via MICE did not re-establish. Frank -- Frank DiGravina University of Minnesota Networking & Telecommunications Network Operations Phone: 612-626-9074 Cell: 612-386-0449 E-Mail: digravin(a)umn.edu Helpline: 612-301-HELP ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

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FYI: Twin Ports Internet Exchange
by Steve Howard 08 Nov '12

08 Nov '12

Hello, FYI: Paul Bunyan Communications has “seeded” a new internet exchange in Duluth. The Twin Ports Internet Exchange is located in the Missabe Building in downtown Duluth. It is across from the Board of Trade and CenturyLink and a few hundred feet southwest of Citon. The exchange is new and currently has three members. I doubt that this will have much impact on MICE, but I wanted to let everyone know that it is out there. If you are in the area, please consider connecting! More info is available at http://tp-ix.net Thanks, Steve ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

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someone is forwarding their email..
by Mike Horwath 01 Nov '12

01 Nov '12

to dev(a)null.com And that's just not nice. Please fix your alias please! -- Mike Horwath ipHouse - Welcome home! drechsau(a)iphouse.net The universe is an island, surrounded by whatever it is that surrounds universes. - Berkeley Fortune ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

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Lost Graphing on CNS Switch
by Jay Hanke 01 Nov '12

01 Nov '12

It looks like we lost graphing on the CNS Remote Switch last night. Was there any changes made? -- Jay Hanke CTO, CCIE #19093 Mankato Networks LLC PO Box 54 619 S Front St Mankato, MN 56001-3838 Google 530-618-2398 jayhanke(a)mankatonetworks.net http://www.mankatonetworks.com ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

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ARIN Fee Schedule Change Consultation
by David Farmer 25 Oct '12

25 Oct '12

FYI -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [arin-announce] Fee Schedule Change Consultation Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2012 13:17:44 -0700 From: ARIN <info(a)arin.net> To: arin-announce(a)arin.net We are consulting with the community regarding changes to the ARIN Fee Schedule that are scheduled for implementation in January of 2013. The changes to the fee schedule including an alignment of the IPv4 and IPv6 fee schedules for ISPs into single set of registration services plans based on total resources held, introduction of with per address block and per ASN maintenance fees for end-users, and addition of very low cost category (e.g. XX-Small) for the smallest organizations. Please view the proposed fee schedule at: https://www.arin.net/fees/proposed_fee_schedule.html In addition, a presentation was given on this proposed fee schedule today, and the slides are available at: PDF: https://www.arin.net/participate/meetings/reports/ARIN_XXX/PDF/thursday/cur ran_fee_schedule.pdf PPTX: https://www.arin.net/participate/meetings/reports/ARIN_XXX/PPT/thursday/cur ran_fee_schedule.pptx Please provide comments to arin-consult(a)arin.net. You can subscribe to this mailing list at: http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-consult. Discussion on arin-consult(a)arin.net will close on 26 November 2012 (30 days). ARIN seeks feedback through community input, so your comments are important. If you have any questions, please contact us at info(a)arin.net. Regards, John Curran President and CEO American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN) _______________________________________________ ARIN-Announce You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN Announce Mailing List (ARIN-announce(a)arin.net) Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-announce Please contact info(a)arin.net if you experience any issues. ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

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Fwd: Notification of Maintenance Event V-121022
by Chris Scheidecker 22 Oct '12

22 Oct '12

Atomic's maintenance is complete. Begin forwarded message: From: Chris Scheidecker <CScheidecker(a)atomicdata.com<mailto:CScheidecker@atomicdata.com>> Subject: Re: Notification of Maintenance Event V-121022 Date: October 22, 2012 9:59:42 PM CDT To: Larry Patterson <larry(a)atomicdata.com<mailto:larry@atomicdata.com>> Cc: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET>>, NOC <noc(a)atomicdatacenters.com<mailto:noc@atomicdatacenters.com>>, Engineering <Engineering(a)atomicdata.com<mailto:Engineering@atomicdata.com>>, Infrastructure Engineering <InfrastructureEngineering(a)atomicdata.com<mailto:InfrastructureEngineering@atomicdata.com>>, Engineering-Level3 <Engineering-Level3(a)atomicdata.com<mailto:Engineering-Level3@atomicdata.com>>, Client Services <ClientServices(a)atomicdatacenters.com<mailto:ClientServices@atomicdatacenters.com>> This event is complete, please send the all-clear. We are now in compliance with the new MICE ip space and ready to move forward peering with others as they come online. All existing peers are back online and healthy. Chris On Oct 22, 2012, at 8:12 PM, Larry Patterson wrote: Atomic Data is performing a maintenance this evening to bring our new MICE IP addresses online. We will shutdown all BGP peer links on our connection and resume them when the maintenance is complete. Thanks, Larry Patterson – Chief Technology Officer Atomic Data 615 North 3rd Street Minneapolis, MN 55401 612.466.2000 Main Line 612.466.2080 Direct Dial Twitter<http://twitter.com/AtomicData> | Facebook<http://www.facebook.com/AtomicDataCenters> | LinkedIn<http://www.linkedin.com/companies/atomic-data-centers> Simple. Safe. Smart. www.atomicdata.com<http://www.atomicdata.com/> This message and any information or attachments included therewith is intended only for the individual or entity named above. If the reader is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, distribution or copy of this message or any information attached or contained therein is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender by return e-mail and destroy all copies of the message and any attachments. Thank you. Please consider the environment before printing this email. From: Atomic Technical Assistance Center <tac(a)atomicdata.com<mailto:tac@atomicdata.com>> Date: Friday, October 19, 2012 2:50 PM To: Lawrence Patterson <larry(a)atomicdata.com<mailto:larry@atomicdata.com>> Subject: Notification of Maintenance Event P-121022 Dear Atomic Data Customer: Atomic engineers will be performing scheduled maintenance on one of our upstream peers beginning on Monday, October 22nd at 21:00 CDT and ending at 22:00 CDT. During this maintenance window, it is expected that service will non service impacting. Maintenance Window: Monday, October 22nd beginning at 21:00 CDT and ending at 22:00 CDT Systems Affected: Connectivity- Service is expected to be non-service impacting If you have any questions regarding this maintenance, please contact our Technical Assistance Center at 612-466-2000 or tac(a)atomicdata.com<mailto:tac@atomicdata.com>. We sincerely apologize for any inconvenience this may cause and thank you for your patience concerning this matter. Warmest Regards, Atomic Data Atomic Event ID: P-121022 Message sent by: Atomic Data, LLC Unsubscribe<https://ww5.autotask.net//autotask/Popups/Unsubscribe.aspx?pageType=0&crede…> Chris Scheidecker - Infrastructure Engineer Atomic Data 615 North 3rd Street Minneapolis, MN 55401 612.466.2000 Main Line 612.466.2044 Direct Dial Twitter<http://twitter.com/AtomicData> | Facebook<http://www.facebook.com/AtomicDataCenters> | LinkedIn<http://www.linkedin.com/companies/atomic-data-centers> Simple. Safe. Smart. www.atomicdata.com<http://www.atomicdata.com/> This message and any information or attachments included therewith is intended only for the individual or entity named above. If the reader is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, distribution or copy of this message or any information attached or contained therein is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender by return e-mail and destroy all copies of the message and any attachments. Thank you. Please consider the environment before printing this email. Chris Scheidecker - Infrastructure Engineer Atomic Data 615 North 3rd Street Minneapolis, MN 55401 612.466.2000 Main Line 612.466.2044 Direct Dial Twitter<http://twitter.com/AtomicData> | Facebook<http://www.facebook.com/AtomicDataCenters> | LinkedIn<http://www.linkedin.com/companies/atomic-data-centers> Simple. Safe. Smart. www.atomicdata.com<http://www.atomicdata.com/> This message and any information or attachments included therewith is intended only for the individual or entity named above. If the reader is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, distribution or copy of this message or any information attached or contained therein is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender by return e-mail and destroy all copies of the message and any attachments. Thank you. Please consider the environment before printing this email. ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

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FW: Notification of Maintenance Event V-121022
by Larry Patterson 22 Oct '12

22 Oct '12

Atomic Data is performing a maintenance this evening to bring our new MICE IP addresses online. We will shutdown all BGP peer links on our connection and resume them when the maintenance is complete. Thanks, Larry Patterson – Chief Technology Officer Atomic Data 615 North 3rd Street Minneapolis, MN 55401 612.466.2000 Main Line 612.466.2080 Direct Dial Twitter<http://twitter.com/AtomicData> | Facebook<http://www.facebook.com/AtomicDataCenters> | LinkedIn<http://www.linkedin.com/companies/atomic-data-centers> Simple. Safe. Smart. www.atomicdata.com<http://www.atomicdata.com/> This message and any information or attachments included therewith is intended only for the individual or entity named above. If the reader is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, distribution or copy of this message or any information attached or contained therein is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender by return e-mail and destroy all copies of the message and any attachments. Thank you. Please consider the environment before printing this email. From: Atomic Technical Assistance Center <tac(a)atomicdata.com<mailto:tac@atomicdata.com>> Date: Friday, October 19, 2012 2:50 PM To: Lawrence Patterson <larry(a)atomicdata.com<mailto:larry@atomicdata.com>> Subject: Notification of Maintenance Event P-121022 Dear Atomic Data Customer: Atomic engineers will be performing scheduled maintenance on one of our upstream peers beginning on Monday, October 22nd at 21:00 CDT and ending at 22:00 CDT. During this maintenance window, it is expected that service will non service impacting. Maintenance Window: Monday, October 22nd beginning at 21:00 CDT and ending at 22:00 CDT Systems Affected: Connectivity- Service is expected to be non-service impacting If you have any questions regarding this maintenance, please contact our Technical Assistance Center at 612-466-2000 or tac(a)atomicdata.com<mailto:tac@atomicdata.com>. We sincerely apologize for any inconvenience this may cause and thank you for your patience concerning this matter. Warmest Regards, Atomic Data Atomic Event ID: P-121022 Message sent by: Atomic Data, LLC Unsubscribe<https://ww5.autotask.net//autotask/Popups/Unsubscribe.aspx?pageType=0&crede…> ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

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NANOG56
by Koch, Andrew 19 Oct '12

19 Oct '12

I will be in Dallas next week for NANOG. I see there are a few other names on the attendee list that are MICE participants. Make sure to say hello, especially if you haven't yet renumbered your peering session and want confirm it is up after you make the change -- nudge, nudge. Is anyone planning to represent MICE during the Peering Track? There has typically be a few minutes for IXes to provide updates on goings-on. Might be a good time to put our name out there and show an example of what community supported peering can accomplish. I'd be willing to do so, unless Jay or someone else already has cared for this. If you would like for me to do this, can someone share an editable copy of the MICE presentation? Andy Koch TDS Telecom - IP Network Operations andrew.koch(a)tdstelecom.com Desk: 608-664-4694 Cell: 608-616-0072 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

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Akamai peering at MICE
by Yeung, Kams 16 Oct '12

16 Oct '12

Hi All MICE members, Following the announcement of MICE re-numbering plan, we're going to change our peering IP addresses at MICE to: IPv4: 206.108.255.84 IPv6: 2001:504:27::51CC:0:1 Please note that there will be a short traffic interruption when we change our interface IP and we plan to make the change on coming Thursday 18th Oct at 11am-12noon UTC. If you've already peered with Akamai, please setup new peering sessions with our new IP addresses. If you haven't peer with Akamai and would like to, please send an email to peering(a)akamai.com<mailto:peering@akamai.com> We'll remove the peering sessions on our old IP addresses by end of this year. Thanks Regards, Kams Akamai ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

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Netflix Open Connect
by Darin Steffl 12 Oct '12

12 Oct '12

https://signup.netflix.com/openconnect Any chance one of these could be deployed and connected to the MICE exchange to keep traffic from going to Chicago? -- Darin Steffl ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

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ASN Traffic Analysis/Tracking/Graphing Tool(s)?
by Russell Berg 11 Oct '12

11 Oct '12

The graphs and weathermap tools for MICE are great... does anyone have a good AS traffic analysis tool that could be recommended/added? I think the University of Wisconsin may have rolled their own, check out: http://stats.net.wisc.edu/cgi-bin/AsQuery.fcgi?as_number=57&fetch_date=2012… using UMN's AS (57) as an example. Searches for an open source tool called AsQuery were unsuccessful. Thanks, Russell Berg WIN/Airstream Communications www.wins.net ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

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Dormant Ports
by Jay Hanke 10 Oct '12

10 Oct '12

The Integra, Zayo and Implex port have been dormant (down/down) for quite some time. If you're part of these organizations please let us know if you plan to connect and peer so we can clean up the records. Thanks, Jay ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

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Books
by Anthony Anderberg 10 Oct '12

10 Oct '12

I brought a couple topical books to the MICE UG7 meeting, including a book called Tubes that mentions MICE. As the social hour started to die down I went down to do some work in our racks and when I came back the books were gone. All of the people were gone too so I assume someone picked them up and has thus-far forgotten to ping me regarding their current location. Ping away. Anthony Anderberg Sr. Systems Analyst [NUtel_email_logo_1] 320-234-5239 anthonyanderberg(a)nu-telecom.net<mailto:anthonyanderberg@nu-telecom.net> www.nutelecom.net ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

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Cologix Press Release - MICE IP Exchange
by Mike Hemphill 10 Oct '12

10 Oct '12

Good morning, FYI, please see attached Press Release that Cologix is sending out this morning announcing that we have renewed and extended our support for the Midwest Internet Cooperative Exchange <http://www.micemn.net/> (MICE). Thank you to all MICE members, Cologix appreciates our relationship with MICE & each MICE member! Best regards, Mike Mike Hemphill General Manager | *Cologix, Inc.** *511 11th Ave S, Suite 450 | Minneapolis, MN 55415 P: 612.333.1922 | M: 612.812.5242 mike.hemphill(a)cologix.com cologix.com ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

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Route Server
by Jay Hanke 09 Oct '12

09 Oct '12

Can someone add the new IP addresses to the rviews router? -- Jay Hanke CTO, CCIE #19093 Mankato Networks LLC PO Box 54 619 S Front St Mankato, MN 56001-3838 Google 530-618-2398 jayhanke(a)mankatonetworks.net http://www.mankatonetworks.com ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

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MICE Cost Breakdowns
by Jay Hanke 08 Oct '12

08 Oct '12

Thanks for all the work and input on this. I got a chance to play with the orange squares this morning. I adjusted the Relative value of the 10G to 1G to 2.64, basically to make the 10G port cost come out to 1k per solar cycle. The total 10G at $1440 (1k + 440) seemed to be reasonable. Remote Switches I'd further propose that remote switch operators pay their port fee but not an IP fee unless they are peering as well. Anyone who pays any fee is a member and has voting rights. Which is a change from our current requirement of having 1 BGP session. Any AS connected to a remote switch pays the IP Fee and the port costs are between them and the remote switch "owner". Remote Switch owners must provide superuser rights to MICE for their switches to provide common administration. I'd also argue the equipment switching must be dedicated. Remote switch operators are responsible for all the costs associated with running their remote switches. Addition of future switches requires Board of Governors approval, and likely some written agreement in the future. Remote Switches applies to attaching a L2 fabric to the network not transporting single connections. I think MICE not purchase or provide any transport period. If other parties want to offer that service I don't see an issue with it Grace Period I'd advocate offering a six month grace for new members on either 1G or 10G ports for new participants. Small Networks Under this model, small networks could connect to a "cheaper" remote switch so they would have a way to connect and participate in MICE that's feasible for them. ~$500/year isn't a huge hurdle. Expansion beyond 511 I think MICE should focus on getting our ducks in a row in 511 for now. I would be open to "seeding" a second exchange somewhere else in the Midwest. Promotion We should budget something for promotion and holding events. Organizing a UG is a PITA when you need to get everything for free. In addition, we may need to chip in for some travel at some point. Remote Hands Entering in a contract for 24x7 support is also something we should explore. -- Jay Hanke CTO, CCIE #19093 Mankato Networks LLC PO Box 54 619 S Front St Mankato, MN 56001-3838 Google 530-618-2398 jayhanke(a)mankatonetworks.net http://www.mankatonetworks.com ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

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ARIN in Minneapolis
by Jay Hanke 08 Oct '12

08 Oct '12

Is anyone else going to the ARIN meeting on Thursday in Minneapolis? -- Jay Hanke CTO, CCIE #19093 Mankato Networks LLC PO Box 54 619 S Front St Mankato, MN 56001-3838 Google 530-618-2398 jayhanke(a)mankatonetworks.net http://www.mankatonetworks.com ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

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New cost breakdown worksheet
by Shaun Carlson 05 Oct '12

05 Oct '12

All, Richard Laager from Wikstrom Telephone and I have put together a spreadsheet (see link below) detailing the cost breakdown and potential fee structures for MICE. I've highlighted the input fields in orange (you're welcome Mike H) and would encourage you to review the values and assumptions annotated within the sheet. MICE Cost Breakdown, Oct 2012.xlsx <http://db.tt/aJCZNXGz> This spreadsheet proposes fees based on the current costs of the exchange. While slightly simplistic (e.g. no effort was made to account for inflation), this seemed like a reasonable and mostly-objective path to calculating the first year of fees. These costs assume that labor is still donated. The space and power costs are included, even though they're currently donated for 3 years; the effect of this will be to build up reserves. These reserves would be to allow for unforeseen events as well as growth (e.g. adding another switch if we run out of ports). The hardware costs of the existing switches are included as well, even though the switches are already paid for. This will build up funding to buy the next generation of switches (40G or 100G). Yearly, the Board of Governors ("steering committee") needs to update (or review the work of a committee which has updated) the inputs to cost projections. After this first year, since the "expected life" will be one year less, the hardware purchase costs will need to be updated to account for costs already recovered. For example, pretend we had only one switch that cost $10,000, support costs $1,000/year, and we expect to install then next generation switch in 5 years. The methods used in the spreadsheet would show we need to recover: 10000 / 5 + 1000 = $3000/year. Next year, if we are still exactly on, the fees don't change. Since we recovered $2,000 in the first year, we now need to recover: 8000 / 4 + 1000 = $3000/year. As the best estimates (for the cost of the next generation of switch and the remaining time until such a switch is necessary) are updated, the costs will go up or down. Additionally, Richard and I discussed some policy notes and considerations and wanted to include the following for your review and comment as well. *POLICY PROPOSALS:* *General * The term "Resources" refers to physical or logical resources such as IP addresses, ports, etc. In the 4th quarter, the rates for Resources for the upcoming year shall be fixed by the Board of Governors. The new rates shall take effect on January 1. Future policy action may define a Grace Period (e.g. for new members) during which fees are waived. This Grace Period is separate from, and in addition to, the "one month" references below. *Prorating * Annual rates shall be prorated by months only. Resources connected on or before the 15th of a month shall be billed effective the 1st of that month. Resources connected after the 15th shall be billed effective the 1st of the next month. No refunds shall be given for disconnections. Credit is only given during migrations, as provided below. *Migrations * Additional resources utilized during MICE-initiated migrations are not billable provided the member complies with MICE's timetable for that migration. Members upgrading (not downgrading) the type (speed) of their ports (e.g. one or more 1G ports to one or more 10G ports) shall be prorated the difference between the port costs. If the difference is negative, the credit may be carried forward up to one year. During the period of overlap between the sets of ports, one month's overlap of the cheaper set shall be credited; if there is less than one month of overlap, no overlapping charges apply. *IPs * Upon application, a new member shall be assigned one set of one IPv4 address and one IPv6 address. The IPs are billable one month after the route servers are configured (unless the member opts out of multi-lateral peering) and the member is notified of the assignment. Additional IPv4 and IPv6 addresse sets are billable at the same rate as the first set. Members may not be assigned more than two sets of addresses without future policy action. *Ports * Ports are billable once configured and the member is notified of the assignment, except that ports assigned to new members are billable one month later. *Transceivers * Transceivers (SFP, SFP+, etc.), when required for ports, must be purchased from MICE or provided by the member. If purchased from MICE, no Grace Period applies. If provided, the transceiver must meet MICE's requirements, which may include a manufacturer or manufacturer compatibility specification for switch support reasons. Transceivers (once paid for) remain the property of the member. Feel free to play around with the numbers and understand the cost breakdowns for yourself. Let us know if you have questions regarding the sheet or the included calculations/assumptions. Thanks! s *Shaun Carlson *Senior Network Engineer | Arvig ph: (218) 346-8673 | contact: protocol.by/scarlson em: shaun.carlson(a)arvig.com ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

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Please welcome Broadband Visions to MICE
by Anthony Anderberg 05 Oct '12

05 Oct '12

Connecting via the Mankato Networks switch. Broadband Visions (BBV) ASN 25615 New/Primary IPs: 206.108.255.107 2001:504:27:0:0:640F::1 Old/Secondary IPs: 69.147.218.107 2607:fe10:ffff::107 Anthony Anderberg Sr. Systems Analyst [NUtel_email_logo_1] 320-234-5239 anthonyanderberg(a)nu-telecom.net<mailto:anthonyanderberg@nu-telecom.net> www.nutelecom.net ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

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New MICE SC Member
by Jay Hanke 04 Oct '12

04 Oct '12

Please congratulate Shaun Carlson of Arvig as the new MICE Steering Committee Member. Shaun will be serving a three year term ending in Fall 2015. Shaun replaces Mike Horwath of ipHouse. Thanks! -- Jay Hanke CTO, CCIE #19093 Mankato Networks LLC PO Box 54 619 S Front St Mankato, MN 56001-3838 Google 530-618-2398 jayhanke(a)mankatonetworks.net http://www.mankatonetworks.com ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

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Finance committee set
by Mike Horwath 03 Oct '12

03 Oct '12

New spreadsheet oncoming about costs and revenue needs for MICE. Thanks guys! EX4200-24-T $1900 EX4200-48-T $4200 EX4500 $19,500 Max virtual chassis config is 10 EX4200 series or 2 EX4200 + EX4500 series. Maintenance fees were in another message and I hope we can keep the discount long term. Cologix will be approximately $1600 per month for a rack and A+B power at 20A (Mr. Hemphill please correct me). Is figure three years for ROI. Two years may be better depending on growth plans to cover updates. -- Mike, via phone ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

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Please welcome Savage Communications to MICE
by Jay Hanke 03 Oct '12

03 Oct '12

Here is the IP assignment: Savage Communications ASN 23260 Secondary IP: 69.147.218.17 (temp) Primary IP: 206.108.255.17 Secondary IPv6: 2607:fe10:ffff::17 (temp) Primary IPv6: 2001:504:27:0:0:5ADC::1 SCI will peer with the route servers at: 206.108.255.1 206.108.255.2 2001:504:27:0:0:D1AF::1 2001:504:27:0:0:D1AF::2 Please configure the route servers. Thanks! -- Jay Hanke CTO, CCIE #19093 Mankato Networks LLC PO Box 54 619 S Front St Mankato, MN 56001-3838 Google 530-618-2398 jayhanke(a)mankatonetworks.net http://www.mankatonetworks.com ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

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MICE Legal Documents
by Jay Hanke 03 Oct '12

03 Oct '12

The legal documents we will be talking about in the meeting are available here: http://mankatonetworks.com/MICE/MICE-Legal-Info.zip These are in MS-Word format. -- Jay Hanke CTO, CCIE #19093 Mankato Networks LLC PO Box 54 619 S Front St Mankato, MN 56001-3838 Google 530-618-2398 jayhanke(a)mankatonetworks.net http://www.mankatonetworks.com ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

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