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Conference Bridge Info
by Jeremy Lumby 27 Sep '16

27 Sep '16

For today's meeting, we will have a simple audio only conference bridge for remote participants. 952-562-5400 Pin: 6423 Since it is a very basic bridge, I would encourage remote participants to keep their line muted until they are ready to talk, to reduce background noise.

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Voting Reminder
by Jason Hanke 27 Sep '16

27 Sep '16

You cannot vote remotely in the election at today's meeting without a proxy. Please assign a proxy or email me your vote and I will act as your proxy. We currently have proxies registered for the following ASNs: AS53597 AS20940 AS57 AS32609 AS47096 AS15011 AS13573 -- Jay Hanke CTO Neutral Path Communications 3 Civic Center Plaza, Suite 204 Mankato, MN 56001 (507) 327-2398 mobile jayhanke(a)neutralpath.net www.neutralpath.net

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Agenda and Request - UG 21
by Shaun Carlson 27 Sep '16

27 Sep '16

All, Attached is the UG 21 Agenda for tomorrow's meeting. I've also attached the UG 20 minutes for your review prior to the meeting tomorrow. I also have a request. I'm looking for a volunteer to take minutes on behalf of the board for this meeting as I will be unable to attend. We had an unexpected death this weekend of a long-term Arvig employee and it's having a great impact on my team. I need to be at our locations this week to be part of the support and recovery process. I appreciate your understanding in this matter and would not, normally, miss a meeting as important as this. As an FYI, I've communicated this to the board and am working on sharing all relevant files (to include the non-profit information) to the board for access. Please let me know if you're willing to take and distribute minutes and I'll get you the relevant files and instructions. I truly appreciate what this organization does, what it means for the state and I'm honored to have been able to serve you in this capacity for the last few years. I, and Arvig, still plan to be an active part of MICE and support it in whatever capacity best fits the needs of the organization and it's members. Thank you! s *Shaun Carlson*Director of Information Technology | Arvig ph: (218) 346-8673 | em: shaun.carlson(a)arvig.com

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Re: Congrats at 100G
by Jeremy Lumby 26 Sep '16

26 Sep '16

We probably would have still made it without Yahoo. I think their growth has been slowed a little bit since they are bilateral only and I don't think that everyone has gotten around to setting up their bgp sessions. I wonder if it is worth posting invitations like theirs to the announce list since many of the network admins at the eyeball networks don't follow the discuss list so that they can keep the chatter in their inboxes lower. Jeremy Lumby Minnesota VoIP 9217 17th Ave S Suite 216 Bloomington MN 55425 Direct 612.392.6814 Main 612.355.7740 EFax 952.873.7425 -------- Original message -------- From: Frank Bulk <fbulk(a)MYPREMIERONLINE.COM> Date: 9/26/16 8:04 PM (GMT-06:00) To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Congrats at 100G _____ >From : Frank Bulk [fbulk(a)MYPREMIERONLINE.COM] To : MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET [MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] Date : Monday, September 26 2016 20:04:56 Was it Yahoo traffic that brought it over the top, or just organic growth? Frank -----Original Message----- From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Jeremy Lumby Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2016 9:10 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] Congrats at 100G I just wanted to say congrats to everyone. I believe for the first time MICE broke the 100G mark I show the high traffic level as 104G just about 1/2 hour ago. I am very excited knowing that there are many others in the process of upgrading their connection, and newly connecting that should make this number continue to grow quickly in the very near future. Jeremy Lumby Minnesota VoIP 9217 17th Ave S Suite 216 Bloomington, MN 55425 Main: 612-355-7740 x211 Direct: 612-392-6814 EFax: 952-873-7425 jlumby(a)mnvoip.com

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Congrats at 100G
by Jeremy Lumby 26 Sep '16

26 Sep '16

I just wanted to say congrats to everyone. I believe for the first time MICE broke the 100G mark I show the high traffic level as 104G just about 1/2 hour ago. I am very excited knowing that there are many others in the process of upgrading their connection, and newly connecting that should make this number continue to grow quickly in the very near future. Jeremy Lumby Minnesota VoIP 9217 17th Ave S Suite 216 Bloomington, MN 55425 Main: 612-355-7740 x211 Direct: 612-392-6814 EFax: 952-873-7425 jlumby(a)mnvoip.com

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Proxy Votes
by Jason Hanke 26 Sep '16

26 Sep '16

If you will not be at the meeting or will be attending remotely please assign a proxy to cast your vote in the election. There is one vote available per member. Results will be announced following the meeting. Voting instruments will be distributed at the meeting. Voters (or proxies) must be present to vote. Please email peering(a)micemn.net to assign your proxy. You can alternatively email peering(a)micemn.net who you would like to vote for and I will act as your proxy. -- Jay Hanke CTO Neutral Path Communications 3 Civic Center Plaza, Suite 204 Mankato, MN 56001 (507) 327-2398 mobile jayhanke(a)neutralpath.net www.neutralpath.net

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Proxies
by DeLong, Owen 25 Sep '16

25 Sep '16

Those who will not be at the meeting next week and wish to vote for me may do so by requesting that Mr. Jayson Hanke (CC’d above) carry a proxy on your behalf. Thank you in advance for your support, Owen

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IPv6 usage
by Frank Bulk 24 Sep '16

24 Sep '16

It appears the JunOS is able to break out the amount of IPv6 (https://www.juniper.net/documentation/en_US/junos16.1/topics/reference/comm…) on an interface. Does the EX4200 also support the IP MIB (https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4293#section-3.2.3)? If so, it would be great to graph the amount and percentage of IPv6 traffic on most, if not all, interfaces. Frank

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Participant List Updates
by Richard Laager 23 Sep '16

23 Sep '16

I've updated the website to reflect some participants becoming active: Great Plains Communications Stealth Broadband Yahoo! The following are still pending: ipHouse Remote Switch PCH Sandwich.net Velocity Telephone One port move is still pending: Wikstrom Telephone Company (still active on their current port) I have not historically checked for disconnections. I gave the Cacti graphs a quick read-through, and did some ping & route checks. I wouldn't consider it exhaustive, but I don't see any disconnections. -- Richard

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PTR's
by Frank Bulk 23 Sep '16

23 Sep '16

What is MICE's default approach for PTR naming? Is it nothing-unless-asked, AS####.micemn.net or something else? Frank

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proxy voting
by Andrew Hoyos 22 Sep '16

22 Sep '16

What was the consensus on proxy voting? I seem to recall this was ok. Any special process? I was hoping to make the Tuesday meeting in person, but sadly won’t be able to do now. -- Andrew Hoyos hoyosa(a)gmail.com

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Update on Website
by Levi Pederson 22 Sep '16

22 Sep '16

All, We need to make an update on the website. Monticello FiberNet is now on our remote switch port xe-0/1/2 Thank you, *Levi Pederson* Mankato Networks LLC cell | 612.481.0769 work | 612.787.7392 levipederson(a)mankatonetworks.net

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Peering Invitation from Yahoo AS10310 in MICE
by SC Chiu 21 Sep '16

21 Sep '16

Hi MICE participants: Yahoo! (AS10310) is now ready to establish peering sessions, please reply us back if you are interested peering in MICE. Our info:Router 1: 206.108.255.59/24, 2001:504:27::2846:0:2/64 Router 2: 206.108.255.58/24, 2001:504:27::2846:0:1/64 Also available in https://www.peeringdb.com/asn/10310 Thanks for peering! Sc Chiu Tech Yahoo, Network Eng, Sr P: 408.3497982 M: 408.9218286 701 First Avenue Sunnyvale CA 94089 cschiu(a)yahoo-inc.com

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Technical Training at MTA Fall Conference, October 14th
by Shaun Carlson 21 Sep '16

21 Sep '16

Good afternoon! I wanted to let everyone know that the MTA IT Peer group is sponsoring some technical training at the MTA Fall conference on the morning of October 14th. The sessions being offered are: - Foundational Cyber Hygiene – How well do you know your environment?, Mike Rerick, Director of Managed Services, High Point Networks - Polymorphic attacks on data-in-motion creates challenges for both the service provider and end user, Bill Balmer - Protecting the Network with Firepower NGFW and OpenDNS, Andy Erickson, Adam Hardin All of the presentations will take place on Friday morning, October 14th. More details can be found here: http://www.mnta.org/events/EventDetails.aspx?id=851238 <https://followup.cc/l/10023405/e1d83ee16c70b4e2db5e7af1e8df29a2/http%3A%2F%…> I would like to encourage you to attend as the cost is simply the registration for the conference. Thanks! s *Shaun Carlson*Director of Information Technology | Arvig ph: (218) 346-8673 | em: shaun.carlson(a)arvig.com

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Call for Agenda
by Shaun Carlson 20 Sep '16

20 Sep '16

All, Please send me any agenda items you'd like added for next week's meeting. I'm working on assembling the agenda. Thanks! s *Shaun Carlson*Director of Information Technology | Arvig ph: (218) 346-8673 | em: shaun.carlson(a)arvig.com

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Non-Profit Status
by Richard Laager 20 Sep '16

20 Sep '16

I'd like to request the board provide an actual update on the non-profit status, preferably here before the meeting. I've been mailing off-list regularly since the last UG, and the answer seems to be that: 1) We need to get some form to someone (lawyers or IRS?). 2) This form may need some financial details. 3) The board member responsible for this is busy and will do this "next week". It's been "next week" every time. Another member tells me off-list that they've been doing the same thing, for the same amount of time, and are getting the same answer. I've so far avoided commenting publicly, but enough is enough. We need to move this along. -- Richard

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Proposed Membership and Sponsorship Model
by David Farmer 19 Sep '16

19 Sep '16

I'm not a candidate and will not be a candidate for the Board. However, I propose the following Membership and Sponsorship Model, including both Membership Dues and Sponsorship levels for MICE Members and Non-Member Sponsors. The dollar values are just my suggestions, I think they should work but they are primarily intended to illustrate the model. With this Model, any network may connect to the Exchange, but all networks participating in governance, known as Members, will have some minimal skin-in-the-game. Further, the Model implies Networks with 10G or larger ports probably should participate at a more significant level, but this is not a requirement for access to 10G or larger ports or even to participate in governance. The Friends of MICE Sponsorship level is intended to be accessible to anyone interested, including individual users of the Internet. My proposal; As an Open Internet Exchange any network with a uniquely registered Autonomous System Number (ASN) may connect to MICE. However, Non-Member networks are provided ports on the Exchange on an as-available basis only and Non-Members do not participate in the governance of the Exchange or the MICE Organization, but may observe and participate in its discussions. Networks connected to the Exchange, or Data Centers hosting an Exchange switch, may become Members and participate in the governance of the Exchange and the MICE Organization by paying Membership Dues at either level listed below. Members are provided prefered access to 1G Exchange ports, and are provided access to 10G or larger Exchange ports on an as-available basis. Sustaining or higher Members are committed to sustaining and growing the Exchange by electing to pay Sustaining Membership Dues and/or paying Basic Membership Dues and providing other Sponsorship to the Exchange of a value totaling $1000 or more. In recognition to this additional commitment, Sustaining or higher Members are provided prefered access to 10G or larger Exchange ports. Basic Membership Dues - $100 Sustaining Membership Dues - $1000 (Dues are paid in cash or cash equivalents only, and may not be provided through in-kind services or equipment) Beyond Dues from Members, MICE accepts Sponsorship both from Members and Non-Members Sponsors as cash, cash equivalents, in-kind services or equipment. Sponsorship is recognized at the following escalating levels based on the total value provided annually. Friends of MICE - Sponsorship of $50 ore more annually Sustaining Members or Sponsors - Sponsorship of $1,000 or more annually Silver Members or Sponsors - Sponsorship of $2,500 or more annually Gold Members or Sponsors - Sponsorship of $5,000 or more annually Platinum Members or Sponsors - Sponsorship of $10,000 or more annually Sponsorship of $20,000 or more are recognized with multiple years at the Platinum level. Friends of MICE are list on a page on the MICE website. Sustaining or higher Members are annotated as such in their listings on the MICE website. All Sustaining or higher Members and Sponsors are listed on the MICE website, with higher levels receiving more prominent placement. Silver or higher Members and Sponsors are recognized in MICE marketing materials, with higher levels receiving more prominent placement. Thanks -- =============================================== David Farmer Email:farmer@umn.edu Networking & Telecommunication Services Office of Information Technology University of Minnesota 2218 University Ave SE Phone: 612-626-0815 Minneapolis, MN 55414-3029 Cell: 612-812-9952 ===============================================

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FW: How do I start an Internet Exchange Point?
by Michael Hemphill 17 Sep '16

17 Sep '16

Hello MICE people, I saw this post on LinkedIn today & thought it may offer some more help and/or confusion to the current discussions. Mike Mike Hemphill ColoConnect 612-812-5242 mikeh(a)ColoConnect.net<mailto:mikeh@ColoConnect.net> [Kurt-Erik "Kurtis" Lindqvist]<https://www.linkedin.com/in/klindqvist>Kurt-Erik "Kurtis" Lindqvist<https://www.linkedin.com/in/klindqvist>CMO at LINX ( The London Internet Exchange) How do I start an Internet Exchange Point? September 17, 2016 • 13 Likes • 3 Comments I have been involved in helping a lot of Internet Exchange Points (IXPs) get of the ground and I have also been to several countries and regions to help IXPs to prosper and sometimes even to explain to the IXP, the members and the regulators why things have failed. I have helped IXPs in Europe, Asia, the Middle East and even North America. In addition to this I have together with Philip Smith and others thought numerous classes for APRICOT<http://www.apricot.net/>s, MENOG<http://www.menog.org/>s, ISOC<http://www.isoc.org/>, AfPIF<http://www.internetsociety.org/events/afpif> and others on how routing, IXPs and peering work. Because of this involvement I very often get asked advice by people wanting to establish an IXP or even newly formed IXPs. At LINX we are always very supportive of new IXPs being formed, and we try and contribute as much as we can. For those wanting to start an IXP I thought I would write up some comments that observations I have made over the years and post it here. There are already a large number of resources for new IXPs, and I will also list some of these considerations below. Establishing the IXP The hard part with establishing an IXP is not really the technical part, but building up a community and a community with trust with that. Also, an IXP needs to be sustainable beyond the establishment phase, i.e. have enough funds to operate, and in the future upgrade the equipment they need as technology develops and traffic grows. Most IXPs ensure this by setting up a mutual or membership association so that the users of the IXP have equal say in the operation of the IXP. This is by far the most successful model of IXPs today. The members pay a fee based on their port size to the association, so one fee for a 1GE port and one for a 10GE port. Not based on the actual traffic, but the port speed. The membership all have one vote each in the running of the organisation and normally appoints a board for the day to day operation of the IXP. Secondly, new IXPs tend to believe it is a good idea to offer free ports to large content networks in order to attract other members. At first glance this might seem like a good idea, but you will quickly find yourself squeezed between the content networks and the broadband operators that then also want their ports for free. Generally it is better to charge everyone equally and threat everyone equally. It might make it slightly harder for the IXP to get off the ground but it certainly makes running the IXP easier in the long run. Most of the large content owners are also quite supportive of new IXPs being formed in locations or regions where no IXP exists. Thirdly, what is very important is to ensure that the IXP does not in any way interfere with the peering arrangements across the IXP. If the members want to for example sell transit to each other across the IXP, that is fine. If someone only want to peer with a subset of the members, that is also fine. Selecting the location for your IXP Besides creating the community in order to support the IXP, the other important factor for establishing a successful IXP is the location. Successful IXPs needs to be accessible for everyone so a neutral datacenter, where any fibre infrastructure can be build in. These locations can be hard to find, but are very critical for the success. The wider the choice of fibre providers (or wlan for that matter in some parts of the world) and choice of carriers that are available, the better. Datacenters owned by current or former incumbents are not good choices as they generally tend to be very restrictive in what choice of infrastructure providers they offer. Besides easy infrastructure access, the datacenter also needs to provide a stable power feed, or you need to ensure you have UPSes and perhaps even generators (depending on ambition, stability of power grid and if the datacenter provides generator power). Also make sure there is room to grow the IXP. You might only two racks to start with, but if you are successful you might need more and moving the IXP is always painful. What type of switch do I need? There is an excellent presentation<http://ripe71.ripe.net/presentations/30-1000-dollar-exchange-ripe71.pdf> by Remco van Mook that covers many of the same topics as this post, and that also points out that ~50% of IXPs carry less than 20Gbps of traffic. As a new start-up IXP you will most certainly carry less than 20Gbps. What you need is a switch that will support 1GE and 10GE ports, preferably via SFPs, not an expensive and large switch with massive amount of features (although the vendors will try and sell you one). Instead, make sure you get a switch that you can manage and that you can monitor. These are the most important components of an IXP switch. Co-location of services For the benefit of the membership of your IXP as well as the local Internet community, you should co-locate some critical shared resources with the IXP. The most important ones are * The local ccTLD slave service (i.e .uk, .fr, .sg, .bd etc). If the ccTLD registry is supportive of the IXP, the contact them and ask if they are willing to locate one of their unicast slaves behind your IXP router. Never connect the DNS slaves directly to IXP L2 domain. * It is likely that the ccTLD registry also uses an anycast provider for their slave service. In that case it might be worth contacting that DNS anycast provider and ask them to connect to the IXP. You should in any cast contact the DNS anycast providers as they are more than happy to peer at many of the IXPs. Many of these also operate or provide service to one the DNS root-servers. These are a critical part of the internet infrastructure and having one co-located with your IXP will provide a lot of value to your local Internet community. PCH<http://www.pch.net/>, Verisign<http://www.verisign.com/> and Netnod<http://www.netnod.se/> are some of the DNS Anycast providers that locate nodes around the world. * Route-servers are also important to offer to your members, especially as you start to grow. The most stable software for route-servers today is BIRD<http://bird.network.cz/>. Providing two route-servers also adds redundancy as if one fails, the peering sessions will go down. Last, some IXPs offer NTP services as part of the IXP to their community. This is a very good service, and something that the community should make use of. However, for a new start-up IXP, NTP services is quite expensive to provide and definitely not needed at the first stage. Managing my IXP and members The guys over at INEX<http://www.inex.ie/> has created an amazing tool called The IXP Manager<http://www.inex.ie/ixp/index/about> that provides you all the software you need to mange your IXP and the tools for your members. This is really an amazing resource that you should use for setting up the IXP! How do I know if my IXP is a success? What makes an IXP successful varies very much from each individual case. A small land-locked country where all ISPs or Internet Operators are forced to use Satellite capacity for Internet access will benefit enormously from an IXP no matter how little traffic that is exchanged, as each bit is a huge saving! Value of peering is always in the eye of the beholder. Access to one single route or Internet prefix can be extremely valuable to one ISP, while another might need large traffic volumes before it creates value to them. In the end a successful IXP is defined by the membership. If there is a community that uses and continuous to see benefit from the IXP they will continue to support it. By being stable and sustainable the IXP is successful! Other resources IXP Associations * IX-F<http://www.ix-f.net/> * Euro-IX<http://www.euro-ix.net/> * APIX<http://apix.asia/> * LACIX<http://www.lac-ix.net/> * AF-IX<http://www.af-ix.net/> The IXP toolkit<http://www.ixptoolkit.org/> is a collection of resources for IXPs. The Euro-IX movie<http://youtu.be/QuBde4Sn3f0> is a great resource for explaining in a non-technical manner how an IXP works and what it does. You are always welcome to contact me for questions and advice! Written by [Kurt-Erik "Kurtis" Lindqvist]<https://www.linkedin.com/in/klindqvist>Kurt-Erik "Kurtis" Lindqvist<https://www.linkedin.com/in/klindqvist>CMO at LINX ( The London Internet Exchange) 3 comments [ ] 2h [https://media.licdn.com/mpr/mpr/shrink_100_100/AAEAAQAAAAAAAAltAAAAJDMwNWY0…]<https://www.linkedin.com/in/ivanbev> Ivan Beveridge<https://www.linkedin.com/in/ivanbev> Seeking network/systems opportunities in… Typo correction: Establishing the IXP .... "Generally it is better to charge everyone equally and threat everyone equally" - threat -> treat LikeReply 2h [https://media.licdn.com/mpr/mpr/shrink_100_100/p/2/000/03f/0cb/2aae6f1.jpg]<https://www.linkedin.com/in/muhammad-aslam-1868a15> Muhammad Aslam<https://www.linkedin.com/in/muhammad-aslam-1868a15> Chief Operating Officer at ADRAS Great article - mostly the technical would agree with the points mentioned in the article including the Remco van Mook presentation in terms of the technical and costing matrix. The biggest dilemma with the developing economies would be that their consulting partner being ITU that provides different approach towards the setup of IXP , so the question would be how to convin… See more LikeReply 1 1h [https://media.licdn.com/mpr/mpr/shrink_100_100/AAEAAQAAAAAAAAltAAAAJDMwNWY0…]<https://www.linkedin.com/in/ivanbev> Ivan Beveridge<https://www.linkedin.com/in/ivanbev> Seeking network/systems opportunities in… You say "ITU that provides different approach towards the setup of IXP". Can you elaborate? What is their approach? LikeReply 1h [https://media.licdn.com/mpr/mpr/shrink_100_100/AAEAAQAAAAAAAAltAAAAJDMwNWY0…]<https://www.linkedin.com/in/ivanbev> Ivan Beveridge<https://www.linkedin.com/in/ivanbev> Seeking network/systems opportunities in… Good article, highlighting important topics and linking to additional resources. I guess the particularly tricky part comes when wishing to setup in areas where there are few/no neutral colocation centres. I suspect such instances need to be treated on a case-by-case basis; is this what you/people (eg Bill, Gaurab, etc) have found?

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Wikstrom Telephone MICE Port Move
by Jason Hanke 09 Sep '16

09 Sep '16

Wikstrom Telephone is moving their connection from the Mankato Networks Remote Switch to the Main Switch The new port will be xe-2/0/6 on the main stack. IP information will remain the same. Welcome aboard (again)! -- Jay Hanke CTO Neutral Path Communications 3 Civic Center Plaza, Suite 204 Mankato, MN 56001 (507) 327-2398 mobile jayhanke(a)neutralpath.net www.neutralpath.net

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Richard Laager Board Seat
by Jason Hanke 09 Sep '16

09 Sep '16

Richard Laager has thrown his hat in the ring for the open MICE board seat. -- Jay Hanke CTO Neutral Path Communications 3 Civic Center Plaza, Suite 204 Mankato, MN 56001 (507) 327-2398 mobile jayhanke(a)neutralpath.net www.neutralpath.net

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Candidate Question
by Jason Hanke 07 Sep '16

07 Sep '16

Question for all candidates- Up to this point MICE has been fairly successful without any required port fees for members. There have been minor difficulties paying hardware support and annual ARIN fees. We have reached a long-term (5 year) agreement with Cologix to continue the existing no cost relationship for space and power. Do you see the finical current model as sustainable for MICE? What changes would you suggest on the business side? -- Jay Hanke CTO Neutral Path Communications 3 Civic Center Plaza, Suite 204 Mankato, MN 56001 (507) 327-2398 mobile jayhanke(a)neutralpath.net www.neutralpath.net

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MICE UG/Elections
by Jason Hanke 07 Sep '16

07 Sep '16

We will be holding elections at the MICE UG on September 27th. As of now we have two candidates listed in the spreadsheet. Owen Delong (Akamai) James Renken (ipHouse) If your name is missing from the list or you would like to be on the list please email peering(a)micemn.net. The nomination period will close September 20th. Also, please RSVP to the Facebook event if you're planning to attend. https://www.facebook.com/events/1734560673466829/ Thanks! -- Jay Hanke CTO Neutral Path Communications 3 Civic Center Plaza, Suite 204 Mankato, MN 56001 (507) 327-2398 mobile jayhanke(a)neutralpath.net www.neutralpath.net

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MICE Traffic Growth
by Jason Hanke 02 Sep '16

02 Sep '16

Using the double counting method, MICE ran 176 Gbps using 30 minute averages Sunday night. I believe we might be the second largest non-profit ix in the US by traffic behind the SIX. Does anyone have an easy way to verify? -- Jay Hanke CTO Neutral Path Communications 3 Civic Center Plaza, Suite 204 Mankato, MN 56001 (507) 327-2398 mobile jayhanke(a)neutralpath.net www.neutralpath.net

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Member traffic drop
by Jason Hanke 01 Sep '16

01 Sep '16

We're seeing a number of western MN and SD networks drop off of MICE. Is there a cut someplace? -- Jay Hanke CTO Neutral Path Communications 3 Civic Center Plaza, Suite 204 Mankato, MN 56001 (507) 327-2398 mobile jayhanke(a)neutralpath.net www.neutralpath.net

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Martin Hannigan Paypal Donation
by Jason Hanke 31 Aug '16

31 Aug '16

Marty Hannigan has donated $300 to MICE! Thanks for your support! -- Jay Hanke CTO Neutral Path Communications 3 Civic Center Plaza, Suite 204 Mankato, MN 56001 (507) 327-2398 mobile jayhanke(a)neutralpath.net www.neutralpath.net

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