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Re: UG 23
by Richard Laager Feb. 2, 2017

Feb. 2, 2017

If you have any agenda items for the upcoming meeting, please send them to me. -- Richard

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Anyone else who is peering with Amazon having issues with pulling up www.bop.gov?
by Frank Bulk Feb. 2, 2017

Feb. 2, 2017

Anyone else who is peering with Amazon having issues with pulling up https://www.bop.gov? We have a customer who said they could access it last week, but not this week. We get the error listed below my signature. All the IPs for www.bop.gov resolve to something in 52.222.217.0/24, which is within the 52.222.216.0/22 that the Amazon peer is advertising to use Frank ERROR The request could not be satisfied. CloudFront attempted to establish a connection with the origin, but either the attempt failed or the origin closed the connection. Generated by cloudfront (CloudFront) Request ID: f2Kv9B8881U7CmCAYLlbbW9rVfp0adGMpb2sTt5fepCYfdOsx5vuhA==

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511->Mankato Mail run
by Jason Hanke Feb. 1, 2017

Feb. 1, 2017

If anyone is going from 511 towards the Mankato area in the next couple of days. Jake at Cologix has MICE some mail for Kayla. -- Jay Hanke CTO Neutral Path Communications 3 Civic Center Plaza, Suite 204 Mankato, MN 56001 (507) 327-2398 mobile jayhanke(a)neutralpath.net www.neutralpath.net

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Port Fees
by Richard Laager Jan. 25, 2017

Jan. 25, 2017

The board has approved port fees in line with the discussion from the most recent UG meeting. The details are documented on the services page on the website: http://micemn.net/services.html If you have one or more ports on the *main* switches, please send accounts payable information to Kayla Powers, our treasurer, at: kpowers(a)neutralpath.net -- Richard

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Re: Arista Training
by David Farmer Jan. 17, 2017

Jan. 17, 2017

For practical scheduling purposes it probably need to at least a couple weeks out. So, staring the week of Jan 30, the room can be available Monday, Jan30, Tuesday, Jan 31, Thursday, Feb 2, Friday, Feb 3, Friday, Feb 10, Monday, Feb 13, Tuesday, Feb 14, Thursday, Feb 16, or Friday, Feb 17. Some of this days are continent on moving one small meeting, but that should be possible. I've established a Doodle Poll to try to pick a day. http://doodle.com/poll/dydp2xmxm6m9kthk Thanks. On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 1:57 PM, John McLaughlin <jmclaughlin(a)arista.com> wrote: > My apologies Jay on the name mix up below. The question for Hank was > actually meant for you. > > On Jan 16, 2017, at 1:24 PM, John McLaughlin <jmclaughlin(a)arista.com> > wrote: > > > Thank you Dave very generous of you to offer up a facility for this > training. > > Hank, > > Do you have any dates in mind? It would be great if we can confirm a date > & location sometime this week. > > If you can send me a few options for dates I’ll work with our training > team and Dave Farmer on the final location. > > > On Jan 13, 2017, at 11:29 AM, Scott Strelitz <sstrelitz(a)arista.com> wrote: > > David- > > Full day event is what they usually are. Engineering led labs and as > mentioned vEOS on the laptop. Some slides too. We would be glad to use the > facility and we can pick up the food and beverages. > > What we need is a day that would work for everyone. I will let Corey or > Teren chime in with any other specifics… > > *Scott Strelitz* > Sales Director North Central > > *Arista Networks, Inc. * > Ph: 1-847-833-5330 <(847)%20833-5330> > Email: sstrelitz(a)arista.com > Web: www.arista.com > > <578D3593-71AB-4CBE-A4D4-0E311A47ACFC.png> > > Software Driven Cloud Networking > <linkedin_blue_small_1.png> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/arista-networks-inc> > <facebook_blue_small_1.png> <https://www.facebook.com/AristaNW/> > <twitter_blue_small_1.png> <https://twitter.com/aristanetworks> > <youtube_blue_small_1.png> <https://www.youtube.com/user/AristaNetworks>2016 > Gartner Magic Quadrant for Data Center Networking > <https://www.gartner.com/doc/reprints?ct=160517&id=1-36UFTCZ&st=sb> > > > On January 13, 2017 at 10:30:21 AM, David Farmer (farmer(a)umn.edu) wrote: > > Are you thinking a half day or full day event? We have a large room here > at 2218 University SE where we could seat 20 - 30 in classroom mode and > there is a larger room across the street in 2221 University SE that can do > 50 or more. I'll bet I can cover coffee and break snacks and there are > lots of options for lunch around here or someone else could sponsor the > catering for lunch. Participants would need to pay for their parking or > take the light rail over, we're less than a block from the Stadium Village > Green Line stop. > > Let me know what you think. > > > On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 8:12 AM, Jason Hanke <jayhanke(a)neutralpath.net> > wrote: > >> As part of the new switching fabric, Arista has offered complementary >> training sessions. The training will be hands on in a virtual >> environment. Each student would need to provide a laptop. >> >> Does anyone have a venue where we could hold Arista training sessions? >> We would need space for about 20 students with laptops and excellent >> wifi. >> >> The sessions will be open to all members. >> >> -- >> Jay Hanke >> CTO >> Neutral Path Communications >> 3 Civic Center Plaza, Suite 204 >> Mankato, MN 56001 >> (507) 327-2398 mobile >> jayhanke(a)neutralpath.net >> www.neutralpath.net >> > > > > -- > =============================================== > David Farmer Email:farmer@umn.edu > Networking & Telecommunication Services > Office of Information Technology > University of Minnesota > 2218 University Ave SE Phone: 612-626-0815 <(612)%20626-0815> > Minneapolis, MN 55414-3029 Cell: 612-812-9952 <(612)%20812-9952> > =============================================== > > ------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > > *John McLaughlin* > Major Accounts Manager > States: MN, IA, SD, ND > Mobile: 612-816-9024 <(612)%20816-9024> > jmclaughlin(a)arista.com > > <unknown.png> > > > *John McLaughlin* > Major Accounts Manager > States: MN, IA, SD, ND > Mobile: 612-816-9024 <(612)%20816-9024> > jmclaughlin(a)arista.com > > > -- =============================================== David Farmer Email:farmer@umn.edu Networking & Telecommunication Services Office of Information Technology University of Minnesota 2218 University Ave SE Phone: 612-626-0815 Minneapolis, MN 55414-3029 Cell: 612-812-9952 ===============================================

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Arista Training
by Jason Hanke Jan. 13, 2017

Jan. 13, 2017

As part of the new switching fabric, Arista has offered complementary training sessions. The training will be hands on in a virtual environment. Each student would need to provide a laptop. Does anyone have a venue where we could hold Arista training sessions? We would need space for about 20 students with laptops and excellent wifi. The sessions will be open to all members. -- Jay Hanke CTO Neutral Path Communications 3 Civic Center Plaza, Suite 204 Mankato, MN 56001 (507) 327-2398 mobile jayhanke(a)neutralpath.net www.neutralpath.net

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Additional IP Addresses for Paul Bunyan Telephone
by Jason Hanke Jan. 9, 2017

Jan. 9, 2017

Please allocate the following additional IP addresses to Paul Bunyan Telephone: IPv4: 206.108.255.119/24 IPv6: 2001:504:27:0:0:3823::2/64 Contact and ASN are the same. The purpose of the allocation is to allow traffic to take a direct path to various regions within the network. -- Jay Hanke CTO Neutral Path Communications 3 Civic Center Plaza, Suite 204 Mankato, MN 56001 (507) 327-2398 mobile jayhanke(a)neutralpath.net www.neutralpath.net

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Code42
by Jason Hanke Jan. 6, 2017

Jan. 6, 2017

Is there someone from Code42 that could reach out to me off list? MICE needs help with a potential peer. -- Jay Hanke CTO Neutral Path Communications 3 Civic Center Plaza, Suite 204 Mankato, MN 56001 (507) 327-2398 mobile jayhanke(a)neutralpath.net www.neutralpath.net

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Please welcome Christensen Communications to MICE!
by Jason Hanke Jan. 5, 2017

Jan. 5, 2017

Name: Christensen Communications ASN: 46494 IPv4: 206.108.255.74/24 IPv6: 2001:504:27:0:0:b593::1/64 Port: Neutral Path Remote ge-0/0/5 Contact: shannons(a)chriscomco.net BFD: NO Route Server: YES Welcome aboard! -- Jay Hanke CTO Neutral Path Communications 3 Civic Center Plaza, Suite 204 Mankato, MN 56001 (507) 327-2398 mobile jayhanke(a)neutralpath.net www.neutralpath.net

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Amazon on MICE
by Justin Krejci Jan. 5, 2017

Jan. 5, 2017

>From one of their peering engineers, Amazon estimates early January to be live on MICE.

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Amazon Peering
by Jason Hanke Jan. 4, 2017

Jan. 4, 2017

Amazon confirmed that they are up and ready for additional peers on MICE. peering(a)amazon.com -- Jay Hanke CTO Neutral Path Communications 3 Civic Center Plaza, Suite 204 Mankato, MN 56001 (507) 327-2398 mobile jayhanke(a)neutralpath.net www.neutralpath.net

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Route server #2 copper connection
by Jeremy Lumby Dec. 22, 2016

Dec. 22, 2016

When I went to insert my optic into the switch for my upgraded 10G connection, I noticed that the cable for route server#2 was against the cabinet door, and simply opening/closing the door caused the link to bounce. Since the link had gone down from just opening the door, I switched the Copper SFP adapter to a different model, and it appears to be more compatible with the RJ45 connector on the patch cable since the link now stays up when the cable is moved in a normal manner. Jeremy

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RR#2 cable?
by Doug McIntyre Dec. 22, 2016

Dec. 22, 2016

Anybody close to 511 today? Looks like the cable has snaked its way out again for RR#2. Dec 19 17:04:19 micemn-02 kernel: bge1: link state changed to DOWN The machine is up and talking back on the mgmt link. It is link down on both the switch and the machine for the link into the switch stack. I'm sure if somebody goes and pushes on the cable again it'll be link up. Looks like that cable and that copper-SFP aren't too compatico. It might be better to not have switch diversity for them. -- Doug McIntyre <merlyn(a)iphouse.net> ~.~ ipHouse ~.~ Network Engineer/Provisioning/Jack of all Trades

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UG 22 Minutes
by Richard Laager Dec. 19, 2016

Dec. 19, 2016

Draft minutes available here: http://micemn.net/files/MICE%20UG%2022%20-%20Minutes.pdf If you have any corrections, please let me know. -- Richard

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MICE UG Reminder
by Jason Hanke Dec. 12, 2016

Dec. 12, 2016

The MICE Users Group is Wednesday. There is a proposal for new port fees on the docket. Please RSVP here: https://www.facebook.com/events/179450035795693/ -- Jay Hanke CTO Neutral Path Communications 3 Civic Center Plaza, Suite 204 Mankato, MN 56001 (507) 327-2398 mobile jayhanke(a)neutralpath.net www.neutralpath.net

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MN VoIP Remote Switch
by Jason Hanke Dec. 9, 2016

Dec. 9, 2016

Please allocate xe-2/0/7 to the MN VoIP remote switch. Per the new policy for remote switches, please provision the initial port as a single member LAG. Welcome aboard! -- Jay Hanke CTO Neutral Path Communications 3 Civic Center Plaza, Suite 204 Mankato, MN 56001 (507) 327-2398 mobile jayhanke(a)neutralpath.net www.neutralpath.net

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Participants leaking BGP routes for the MICE IXP Block
by David Farmer Dec. 6, 2016

Dec. 6, 2016

I have BGPmon set up to notify me of the MICE IXP blocks (IPv4 and IPv6) are being announce in BGP by any other AS that MICE itself. The current BPC is to not even put a route in your IGP for for an exchange block, let alone originate a BGP route for it. http://www.bgp4all.com.au/dokuwiki/_media/conferences/apnic42-ixp-design-bc… See slide 45. In the last 2 or 3 months I have seen three different participant ASNs originate routes for 206.108.255.0/24, haven't seen any for do it for 2001:504:27::0/48. I'm not going to name and shame, at least for past events. But, what should we do about this going forward? 1. Ignore it 2. Notify transgressors PRIVATELY 3. Manually, Name and Shame transgressors 4. Automated, Name and Shame of transgressors (setup a BGPmon account to mail to MICE-DISCUSS) 5. Other ideas? (electro-shock for transgressors :) ) Thanks -- =============================================== David Farmer Email:farmer@umn.edu Networking & Telecommunication Services Office of Information Technology University of Minnesota 2218 University Ave SE Phone: 612-626-0815 Minneapolis, MN 55414-3029 Cell: 612-812-9952 ===============================================

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Route Server Filtering
by Richard Laager Dec. 5, 2016

Dec. 5, 2016

I'm looking for feedback on a filtering proposal. I propose that, on the route server, by default, we filter incoming routes to block anything matching: _(174|209|286|701|1239|1299|2828|2914|3257|3320|3356|3549|5511|6453|6461|6762|6939|7018|12956)_ We can, of course, create exceptions if necessary. One obvious one is that HE's connection would need their own AS (6939) removed from the block list. This particular list is from here, with 6939 added by me: https://www.nanog.org/sites/default/files/Snijders_Everyday_Practical_Bgp.p… I've been using something similar in my own network for years because of a badly-behaved peer who I have been unable to set straight. They don't connect to MICE, though. This problem can and does occur at MICE. In fact, it's occurring right now. I've just emailed the relevant network. I suspect this happens because some networks filter their outgoing announcements using fixed prefix lists, not communities based on where they heard the route from. As a result, if their link to a customer goes down (temporarily or permanently), they start leaking transit routes for their customer AS. -- Richard

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MICE Fees Proposal/UG Agenda Item/Request for Comment
by Jason Hanke Dec. 2, 2016

Dec. 2, 2016

All- Our main switch is nearing the end of its lifespan and the available port count is dwindling. At the current rate of burn we will be out of ports in early-2017. USI has arranged for Arista Networks to donate a 7504 switch with 32x100G and 96x10G ports with one year of support. In year 2, MICE would be responsible for the ongoing support costs about 14k per year. There would be one additional slot for future growth. I would like to make a formal request for comment and add the following item to the UG agenda. Here's what I'd propose: 1G ports= Free (Only 1 port per member, NO LAG allowed) Initial 10G port= $250 Annual Each additional 10G port $1000 Annual per port (up to 8 member LAG allowed) 100G port $3000 Annual per port Remote switch operators pay the fee for their main switch ports. Remote switch participants do not pay a main switch port fee. No grandfathering, all types of networks are treated the same. We will not disconnect for non-payment until port run out and contention occurs. A policy will need to be developed. New ports billed at time of allocation. Each carrier provides their own optic. Arista has agreed to remove the vendor lockout for optics. This will yield about $37k of annual revenue assuming everyone pays. We don't disconnect for non-payment but members in good standing would take priority over non-paying members. This would cover hardware support and Arin fees and accounting expense with the remainder going If we extended the full fees to all 10G ports this would generate $70k annually. Looking out, I don't think we will need to raise that much cash to keep operating as we are now. Ongoing Expense looks something like this: Arin: $300 Accounting: $1800 (includes postage for billing) Hardware support: $15000 This financial projection assumes we add no additional ports than what is currently allocated. I'm seeking input/amendment from the membership prior to the board taking action for the 2017 year. -- Jay Hanke CTO Neutral Path Communications 3 Civic Center Plaza, Suite 204 Mankato, MN 56001 (507) 327-2398 mobile jayhanke(a)neutralpath.net www.neutralpath.net

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Google/YouTube Issues
by Derek Poehls Dec. 1, 2016

Dec. 1, 2016

Can anyone tell me if they are seeing issues with YouTube/Google today? We have bilateral peering with Google over MICE which is currently down, and customers that are unable to play videos. Also, I received a notification from Google's peering team saying that there are issues with the GGC in Minneapolis. The strange thing is that I'm writing this email, and not already reading a bunch of them that others have already sent... Perhaps it's because we have the bilateral peering set up and others don't? I have an email into them as well - just figured I'd see what others are seeing. Thanks! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [cid:image001.png@01D21D7D.C7577200] Derek Poehls NOC Supervisor/Senior Network Engineer (218) 284-5775

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GigaPoP Remote Switch
by Richard Laager Dec. 1, 2016

Dec. 1, 2016

Should the GigaPoP be considered a "remote switch" for MICE? According to the participants list, WiscNet is connecting via the GigaPoP, but has their own IP. So it seems some layer 2 switching is happening there. -- Richard

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Please allocate xe-2/0/8 to Arvig
by Jason Hanke Nov. 30, 2016

Nov. 30, 2016

Please allocate xe-2/0/8 on the main switch to Arvig. This will be their second port and they would like to convert to LAG. -- Jay Hanke CTO Neutral Path Communications 3 Civic Center Plaza, Suite 204 Mankato, MN 56001 (507) 327-2398 mobile jayhanke(a)neutralpath.net www.neutralpath.net

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Please allocate port xe-0/1/3 to the GigaPop
by Jason Hanke Nov. 30, 2016

Nov. 30, 2016

Please add port xe-0/1/3 to the GigaPop lag. Welcome aboard (again)! -- Jay Hanke CTO Neutral Path Communications 3 Civic Center Plaza, Suite 204 Mankato, MN 56001 (507) 327-2398 mobile jayhanke(a)neutralpath.net www.neutralpath.net

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MICE 10G Ports
by Jason Hanke Nov. 30, 2016

Nov. 30, 2016

We are VERY low on 10G ports on the main switch. There are several 10G ports that are down or exchanging very little traffic: Onvoy xe-0/0/5 Unggoy xe-2/0/2 (initial turn up) HBC xe-2/0/10 Fastly xe-0/2/0,xe2/0/5 (initial turn up) Amazon ae1 (initial turn up) -- Jay Hanke CTO Neutral Path Communications 3 Civic Center Plaza, Suite 204 Mankato, MN 56001 (507) 327-2398 mobile jayhanke(a)neutralpath.net www.neutralpath.net

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UG 22 - Call for Agenda
by Richard Laager Nov. 29, 2016

Nov. 29, 2016

If you have agenda items for the upcoming UG 22, please send them to me. -- Richard

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