January 2020 - mice-discuss - lists.micemn.net

UG 28
by Richard Laager Oct. 7, 2020

Oct. 7, 2020

I am pleased to announce that 702 Communications confirmed that July 11 works for them hosting UG 28: MICE User Group 28 July 11, 3:00pm 702 Main Ave, Moorhead, MN -- Richard

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DCN 100G Port Upgrade
by Jay Hanke Jan. 28, 2020

Jan. 28, 2020

DCN will be adding a 100G port and keeping their existing 10G port. The new 100G port assignment is Ethernet3/17/1 on the main switch. The new port will use existing IP assignments (labeled Fargo) 206.108.255.60 2001:504:27:0:0:68AA::1 Please provide your Arista compatible optic to Cologix or to Jeremy for installation in the main switch. This email will serve as your LOA/CFA. Welcome Aboard! -- Jay Hanke, President South Front Networks jayhanke(a)southfront.io Phone 612-204-0000

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Blackholing DoS traffic
by Frank Bulk Jan. 24, 2020

Jan. 24, 2020

https://www.seattleix.net/blackholing Does MICE have an blackholng functionality equivalent to SIX? I was visiting with a DDoS mitigation vendor this morning and was curious if there was a way we could automatically mitigate DoS attack traffic coming from a MICE peer. Regards, Frank

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Debian Mirrors
by Jay Hanke Jan. 17, 2020

Jan. 17, 2020

Is anyone hosting Debian mirrors available over MICE? -- Jay Hanke, President South Front Networks jayhanke(a)southfront.io Phone 612-204-0000

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Re: FW: Prefix Hijack: 206.108.255.0/24
by Frank Bulk Jan. 14, 2020

Jan. 14, 2020

Thanks for sorting that out! Frank -----Original Message----- From: Brandon Mulligan <brandon(a)nocix.net> Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2020 4:51 PM To: Frank Bulk <fbulk(a)mypremieronline.com>; MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> Cc: noc(a)wholesaleinternet.net Subject: Re: FW: Prefix Hijack: 206.108.255.0/24 Frank + MICE, This was sent to a new customer by mistake who then sent it to a route collector. I did not detect this in Cogent's looking glass. This should be resolved now. Sorry for the alert and thanks for the notification! On 1/14/2020 3:37 PM, Frank Bulk wrote: > Not sure if it's valid, but Hurricane Electric says that MICE's /24 is being infringed upon by AS32097 (WholeSale Internet, Inc.) > > Copying WII. > > Frank > > -----Original Message----- > From: no-reply(a)he.net <no-reply(a)he.net> > Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2020 3:26 PM > Subject: Prefix Hijack: 206.108.255.0/24 > > # Hijack Alert > > You are receiving this e-mail because one of your prefix registrations > matched this alarm. > > Prefix: 206.108.255.0/24 > Infringing AS: 32097 (via peer 23.139.160.84) > AS Path: 26073 32097 > When: 2020-01-14 21:16:50 UTC

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FW: Prefix Hijack: 206.108.255.0/24
by Frank Bulk Jan. 14, 2020

Jan. 14, 2020

Not sure if it's valid, but Hurricane Electric says that MICE's /24 is being infringed upon by AS32097 (WholeSale Internet, Inc.) Copying WII. Frank -----Original Message----- From: no-reply(a)he.net <no-reply(a)he.net> Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2020 3:26 PM Subject: Prefix Hijack: 206.108.255.0/24 # Hijack Alert You are receiving this e-mail because one of your prefix registrations matched this alarm. Prefix: 206.108.255.0/24 Infringing AS: 32097 (via peer 23.139.160.84) AS Path: 26073 32097 When: 2020-01-14 21:16:50 UTC

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WiscNet Remote Switch / Dedicated Remote Switches
by Richard Laager Jan. 14, 2020

Jan. 14, 2020

I realize I am sending this on a holiday. This does _not_ require immediate attention; next week is fine. ---- WiscNet has proposed a remote switch. I'm forwarding their proposal to the MICE-DISCUSS list per our procedure. You can find it at the bottom of this message. If you have any feedback for the board, please share on-list or off-list, as you prefer. Note that the listserv software sets a Reply-To, so if you are trying to reply off-list, you will have to _edit_ the To field in your reply. The interesting question from my perspective, which we discussed a bit at the last UG, is whether MICE should require remote switches to be dedicated to this purpose. It's my understanding that other exchanges, e.g. SIX, have this requirement. The last few remote switches have all been dedicated, so things had trended that way without it being an official MICE policy. The WiscNet proposal is for a non-dedicated switch which is bringing this question to the forefront. Requiring remote switches to be dedicated is intended to help protect the MICE switching fabric. It would provide a clean demarcation point, which is important for applying rules like one-MAC-per-port, etc. It also reduces the chances of problems in practice due to clean separation, less complexity of configuration, etc. Currently, the following remote switches are, to the best of my knowledge, dedicated: Zayo (formerly Neutral Path) Minnesota VoIP South Front Networks Compudyne The following remote switches are not dedicated: CNS I'm not sure about the following, but they're probably not dedicated: Mankato Networks Northern Lights GigaPoP* * This is something we treat somewhat like a remote switch, but I believe they pre-date the remote switch policy. Note that the non-dedicated switches are the original remote switches or their direct successors. I believe the consensus at the last UG when we discussed this was that: - Implicitly: We need to decide the policy. - Either way, the policy needs to apply to all remote switches; i.e. we don't reject some solely for being non-dedicated while accepting others. - If we require remotes to be dedicated, existing non-dedicated switches need to be grandfathered for at least some amount of time. Upgrades to new switches would end grandfathering. I do not feel confident saying there was a consensus on the actual question of whether dedicated switches should be required or not. If you feel I misjudged the consensus of the room in either direction, please let me know. If a dedicated switch was required, WiscNet would have to add an additional switch, which would look like this: [MICE Arista] | | 100G-LR4 | [WiscNet MICE Remote Switch ] * No VLANs, All Untagged | | | 100G-SR4 | 100G-SR4 | | | VLAN 123 | VLAN 456 | untagged | untagged [WiscNet Existing Switch] | | | existing | existing | 100G-LR4 | 100G-LR4 | | [WiscNet MX] [Iowa MX] The VLAN IDs (123, 456) are made-up examples. We discussed this and other alternatives off-list. WiscNet is firmly opposed to adding such an additional switch. If MICE requires dedicated remote switches, WiscNet will not operate a remote switch. They will still upgrade their connectivity to MICE to 100G, but Iowa and MERIT will likely be left out (unless they decide to get their own MICE ports). I (and I assume the rest of the board) would also be especially interested to hear from the other operators of non-dedicated remote switches. Feel free to reply on-list or off-list at your option. As per the usual remote switch procedure, after there's been an opportunity for comments, the next step is for the board to vote on the WiscNet remote switch proposal. Approving this proposal implicitly decides that non-dedicated switches are okay, at least for now. It is my view that we should _explicitly_ decide the dedicated remote switch question one way or another, so I will also ask for a board decision on that, but I cannot _require_ such a decision individually, of course. There is no specific timeline on this, but if you have thoughts, please share them as soon as possible. Finally, while this is already public knowledge, I'd like to specifically disclose that my employer's connection to MICE is on the CNS switch, a non-dedicated remote switch. -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: Re: WiscNet - AS2381 - Mice Remote Switch Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 13:22:44 +0000 From: Chris Wopat <wopat(a)wiscnet.net> Hi folks, sorry for the multi-week week delay in responding. I've attached a simplified diagram indicating how WiscNet would like to connect to MICE. The diagram is separated by three phases- Current, Proposed, Future. We are looking to transition from our current 10g connection via University of Minnesota Gigapop, to a direct 100g connection from the MICE core Arista switch to WiscNet's recently installed QFX10002. We would like to have the ability to share this connection with other Research and Education organizations that may already connect to our existing switch, as well as a few who may connect to it in the future. Known entities on the interested list are University of Iowa (AS3676) and MERIT Network (AS237). This list may grow a little over time, but it's likely that we'll be able to count this number entities on one hand. WiscNet is a non profit 501(c)(3) who per our bylaws (https://www.wiscnet.net/bylaws) primarily serve educational institutions and do not service commercial entities. When WiscNet recently reached out asking to become a MICE remote switch, we were disappointed to hear that a recent(?) policy change was made indicating that remote switches must be dedicated for MICE usage only. We will not be able to dedicate this device for MICE usage, nor would it be cost effective to purchase a separate switch just for this purpose. We're hoping that there's some middle category here where we're a switch + our few research partners, similar to how a few entities are set up today. Cheers, -- Chris Wopat Network Engineer, WiscNet wopat(a)wiscnet.net 608-210-3965

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Please Welcome Aureon Network Services to MICE!
by Jay Hanke Jan. 10, 2020

Jan. 10, 2020

Name: Aureon Network Services Port: Ethernet 3/16/1 (Main Switch 100G) ASN: 5056 IPv4: 206.108.255.153/24 IPv6: 2001:504:27:0:0:13c0::1/64 Peering Contact: peering(a)aureon.net Route Servers- YES BFD: No Welcome aboard! -- Jay Hanke, President South Front Networks jayhanke(a)southfront.io Phone 612-204-0000

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